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Subject: Rosellas
From: "Peter Ewin" <>
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:28:34 +1100
Pale-headed and Easterns I think are lumped because they will naturally hybridise and I think produce fertile offspring in the wild. A male Eastern and a female Eastern/Pale-headed cross have bred in a hollow my father has put on his property at Crystal Creek near Murwillumbah on the NSW north coast for a number of years. I have not seen any Pale-heads around the Tweed, but they may occasionally turn up. I think I have also heard that formerly the two were separated on habitat, but as land clearance has oppened up the forests of the north coast, Easterns have expanded north into the Pale-headed range and allowed hybridisation to occur again (they were obviously recently split). In flight from behind, the two "species" look very similar.
Cheers,
Peter

From: Vin Lam <>
To: Dave Torr <>
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Subject: Re: [BIRDING-AUS] Rosellas
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:34:30 +1100

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:35:01 +1100, Dave Torr <> wrote:

BA (Sept 2003) recognises Green, Crimson, Eastern, Pale-headed,
Northern and Western.


Clememts and HBW both recognise has Green, Crimson, Yellow, Adelaide,
Northern, Pale-headed, Eastern and Western.

So as usual you can pick a taxonomist (said slightly tongue in cheek).
Important thing is to be consistent!

Hi,

Lumpers and splitters and sometimes a mixture of both. I can
see the reasoning for Crimson/Yellow/Adelaide lumping, but some
currently lump the Pale-headed and Eastern, but not the northern.
To me, Pale-headed seems closer to Northern than Eastern, but I guess
DNA says otherwise.

BTW, do you have a digital copy of the most recent Clements?

Regards,
Vin.

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Vin Lam, Melbourne Australia

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