I have nothing further to say on the matter. Continue to believe what you
will, if you think it helps you.
Scott O'Keeffe
(you can rest assured that this is my real name, as I have absolutely
nothing to hide)
-----Original Message-----
From: KA
Sent: 16 February 2002 06:30
To: Scott O'Keeffe; Birds Australia
Subject: Re: Birds Aust/KA
And still you tell me what I should and shouldn't do.
One reason I said hey Tony if that's your real name is for the fact I was
told who is KA, Merlin, King Arthur etc etc. I tried to make a joke of that,
after all who are any of us. I have no idea who you are, I don't know if
your real name is Scott.
As for the banding issue, I still don't get it, how someone can post a sick
joke on it and you all laugh about it. WHY?
>I have every right to suggest you don't like my conduct
How has my behaviour breached agreed and reasonable standards of etiquette.
Then again what are they? Stating a opinion and getting harassed about not
leaving a full name, is that it?, Taking someone to task over whether there
name is real after being called King Arthur, Merlin etc etc, was that it?.
Fill me in Scott?
No offense but this whole topic is a figment of your imagination, I
threatened no one, Only stated back what was stated to me, and now you seem
intent on telling me the rights and wrongs of this mail list. Sorry Scott
don't agree with you, but would be good if you put it to rest
KA
15/2/02 10:23 PM, Scott O'Keeffe at wrote:
> Since you do not use a name on your posts I am unfortunately unable to use
> polite conversation and address you by name.
>
> You are perfectly entitled to your opinion. However, show some respect
for
> others when you express it. Have the good grace to listen to some
criticism
> of your actions. If people are offended by the way you say something (as
> opposed to what you say), there may be a valid reason for this.
>
> I don't intend to debate birders ethics or banding, or any other such
issue.
> If you think the discussion is about opinions on specific issues, you have
> missed the point. I am complaining about the way you have expressed your
> opinions and/or resonded to the opinions of others.
>
> A statement such as "Tony, hey if that's your real name and real email
> address you play with fire
> handing it out on a news group" could easily be interpreted as a threat.
> Have a genuine think about what I am saying before going into defensive
mode
> and making a justification. You may not have intended to threaten anyone,
> however, given the disprespect evident in your comments, you predispose
> people to interpreting your comments as a threat. Or to put it more
simply,
> if I call someone a bloody moron and then turn around and say that they
had
> better not give out their address, it is entirely possible that the person
> will assume I intend to follow up with further harrassment.
>
> I have every right to suggest that I do not like your conduct, and to
> suggest that you behave otherwise. If your behaviour breaches agreed and
> reasonable standards for etiquette in speech and debate, you should be
told
> how to behave. I would expect to be told if I behaved unreasonably. In
fact
> I make no secret of the fact that I have been told on occasion. I had the
> good grace to accept the criticism. If someone spat on you or insulted
you
> in public, it would be quite reasonsable for you to tell that person how
to
> conduct themselves. Why tell me who you are? What you do for a living,
> where you live, how old you are.. none of these things give you any right
to
> engage in abuse or ridicule. Your comments about laptops, cameras,
earning
> a living and whatever else you have to say at the end of your post has
> nothing to do with this discussion. You have no idea what my opinions are
> on remote sensing, photography, earning a living for my family or any
other
> issue. So please confine yourself to commenting on those things that I
have
> actually said, and desist from rebutting opinions which you incorrectly
> assume that hold.
>
> I make no apology for anything I have said. I have no desire to prevent
you
> from expressing your opinion, or to prevent you from participating in the
> b-aus discussion list. Niether do I have any interest in having you
conform
> to any particular "line of thinking" on any of the topics mentioned. But
I
> do insist that you desist from using the list as a forum for denigrating
> anyone you disagree with. Disagree, yes. Disrespect, no.
>
> Sincerely.
>
> Scott O'Keeffe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: KA
> Sent: 15 February 2002 18:56
> To: Scott O'Keeffe
> Subject: Re: [BIRDING-AUS] Re: Birds Aust/KA
>
>
> Wow Scott maybe you should just read what you wrote, after all the old
> saying is practice what you preach.
>
> I found the original posts attempt at humor rather off, am I allowed to
> state there opinion on a matter. I enjoy a wonderful life photographing
> birds from all over the world, I love the creatures and although I agree
to
> somewhat that their are banders out there that do a shocking job, there
are
> plenty of birders out there also that do just as bad, to tag a group of
> people as a whole is wrong and incorrect. Playing a joke on human life as
it
> did, I'm afraid shows no love of fellow humans, maybe why the world is in
> the mess it is.
>
>> If you intend to participate, make your contribution a positive and
>> respectful one. If not, may I suggest that you go away and grow up.
>
> Well then Scott who are you to tell me how I should conduct myself. All I
> have done is give my initials, no email address, one reason is I have had
> Spam mail from this mail group from all over the world, and I choose not
to
> reveal my email address. so what is that against the law.
>
>> You sound as if you are issuing a threat.
>
> I don't understand, no where in any post have I threatened anyone so could
> you expand on this thinking you have here.
>
> So I don't agree with the so called code of ethics of many birders, that's
> my opinion, probably different than yours but non the less I am allowed to
> state my opinion.
>
> So who am ? Well just another birder that likes reading this board but
> decided to post a thing he thought was unethical, even though it was
> supposed to be talking about ethics and has now been slammed for it, So be
> it. I have seen it all as far as ethics is concerned and wonder how you
> would see sticking a camera just about in a birds nest and remote
triggering
> it from a laptop. Ethical I don't know but feeds my family.
>
> KA
>
>
>
> 15/2/02 7:45 PM, Scott O'Keeffe at wrote:
>
>> Well, KA..
>>
>> Nobody is twisting your arm to force you to read "crap about banders,
>> birders and so called ethics". If you don't like what you read, why
> torture
>> yourself? Switch off. That's probably best, because, apart from
> promoting
>> ethical behaviour in the field, this list also has a tradition of trying
> to
>> encourage ethical treatment of people in our discussions. I'm sure
nobody
>> would deny you the opportunity to express a dissenting opinion, but your
>> manner of doing it is well out of order. I also have cause to wonder on
>> what grounds you base your opinion that it is dangerous for any of us to
> use
>> our full names and email addresses on this list. You sound as if you are
>> issuing a threat. At the very least the comment is uneccesarily
>> antagonistic.
>>
>> If you intend to participate, make your contribution a positive and
>> respectful one. If not, may I suggest that you go away and grow up.
>>
>> Scott O'Keeffe
>>
>>
>> Real name. Real address. No fear.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
>> Behalf Of KA
>> Sent: 15 February 2002 11:19
>> To: Tony Russell; Birds Australia
>> Subject: Re: [BIRDING-AUS] Re: Birds Aust/KA
>>
>>
>> on 15/2/02 9:37 AM, Tony Russell at wrote:
>>
>>> Fine to express a point of view, but who's KA ? Surely not King
Arthur,
>> he
>>> wasn't on line . Maybe it's Merlin ? Was Tintagel wired ?
>>> This is nearly night parrot stuff,
>>> Tony.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Maybe I am King Arthur, maybe I'm Merlin, but alas I'm neither. Why is it
> a
>> worry that I just use initials. I'm not a troller, spammer just a guy
that
>> likes reading the bird reports not some crap about banders, birders and
so
>> called ethics.
>>
>> Tony, hey if that's your real name and real email address you play with
> fire
>> handing it out on a news group
>>
>> KA
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> Birding-Aus is on the Web at
>> www.shc.melb.catholic.edu.au/home/birding/index.html
>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message
>> "unsubscribe birding-aus" (no quotes, no Subject line)
>> to
>>
>>
>> Birding-Aus is on the Web at
>> www.shc.melb.catholic.edu.au/home/birding/index.html
>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message
>> "unsubscribe birding-aus" (no quotes, no Subject line)
>> to
>>
>
>
> Birding-Aus is on the Web at
> www.shc.melb.catholic.edu.au/home/birding/index.html
> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message
> "unsubscribe birding-aus" (no quotes, no Subject line)
> to
>
Birding-Aus is on the Web at
www.shc.melb.catholic.edu.au/home/birding/index.html
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message
"unsubscribe birding-aus" (no quotes, no Subject line)
to
|
