Re distribution of the NHT Journal

To: "Birding-Aus" <>
Subject: Re distribution of the NHT Journal
From: "Philip A Veerman" <>
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 13:32:22 +1100
I wrote on this line recently that I thought the Spring 1999 Journal of the Natural Heritage Trust, was a worthwhile publication and it was worthy of sending out to people with a bird interest (and others). I first noticed it and picked up a copy at the recruitment section display board at the Environment Australia office on (either 24th or) 31-12-1999. This was my last day employed there. My immediate reaction was that of being quite impressed. So I went to their public relations department and suggested some relevant organisations of people that may be interested in this publication (members of some of the bird groups). The lady I spoke to there was appreciative of my recommendation, but that is all it was. I don't know whether that had any importance. Therefore maybe I am in a way responsible for some of its distribution (I don't know). I believe I did the right thing. For example, I asked them to send several to COG, so that our members could pick one up at our meetings. I did not supply a list of members (I do not have a list), nor would I have done so if I did have a list. I did all this, before having noticed the goofs that have been well pointed out. Yes, there are goofs in it and yes the world could be a better place. It is clearly intended as a PR and information exercise and is not primarily scientific (though that doesn't excuse sloppiness). I don't understand why some people on this line have reacted so negatively to what is a nice document, that at least says something positive about several initiatives in bird conservation. I have not read the whole thing either yet. And yes, I received one in the mail too.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Russell <>
To: Alexandra Appleman <>
Cc: <m("","birding-aus");">>
Date: Sunday, 13 February 2000 9:25
Subject: Re: [BIRDING-AUS] Re NHT Journal

>Re Alex's message.
> Until yesterday I had no idea what all the hoo-haa was about concerning
>the NHT Journal, thinking one had to be a subscriber to something in order
>to be sent a copy. Then yesterday I too received a copy (unsolicited) in
>the mail. I am a registered atlasser and regional organiser for South Aust.
>But what amazed me further was that several of my birding associates who
>are not registered atlassers also got copies this week.
>However, I'm not sure it's just to do with being an atlasser, and like Alex
>would like to know who has been giving out names and addresses without our
>consent? The correctness or otherwise of the content of the foreword pales
>into insignificance in the face of this question.
>At 08:46  12/02/00 +1100, you wrote:
>>I too recived the unsolicited mag in the mail. What noone on the list seems
>>to have picked up on is HOW they got our postal addresses.  Has the mag
>>been sent to all Birds Australia members or just to registered atlassers?
>>And why were the addresses given to the NHT mob and under what conditions? 
>>As an ex_Commonwealth public servant I too have quite a few stories but my
>>favourite was when the then Minister for Resources flew into Weipa on Cape
>>York and wanted to know why his mobile phone wasn't working.  I personally
>>haven't got a mobile phone as it seems a pointless getting one when it
>>can't be used across about 85% of Queensland.
>>Alex Appleman
>>At 09:25 AM 2/11/00 +1100, Lord, Murray wrote:
>>>On Thursday evening I was at a seminar where Senator Robert Hill was
>>>speaking. Given the opportunity, I told him of the error in the NHT
>>>publication.  He said he would speak to his experts who had prepared it and
>>>ask them to review it.  He also said he was not aware of having received any
>>>correspondence pointing out the error.
>>>If he is correct that none of the people who noticed this error has drawn it
>>>to his attention, it is difficult to see how people expect him not to make
>>>the same mistake in future.  Shouldn't we be trying to educate politicians
>>>about bird issues instead of just complaining?
>>>Murray Lord
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>Tony Russell,
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