Re: [UKBN] Ranking countries by risk of crime against birders

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Subject: Re: [UKBN] Ranking countries by risk of crime against birders
From: "CAZ THOMAS" <>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:14:33 +0200
Dear John Wall 

I would like to know why South Africa is listed as having a high risk of
crime against birders?  I know the US gvt advisory has a lot of scare stats
regarding risks to tourists and I also know that no distinction is made to
crime in cities as opposed to outside cities.  
I also know that anyone, anywhere in the world is at risk if they flaunt
wealth in a major city.  However, I would be interested in some stats on
the number of birders attacked, robbed or kidnapped or worse in South
Africa.  I know of none and am involved with visiting birders from all over
the world on a regular basis.
Considering the wide circulation of your email - I find it alarming that
you have made such sweeping and damning comments.

I have copied my reply and your original message to the SAbirdnet, for
information and comment.

Caz Thomas
Cape Town, South Africa

> From: 
> To: ; ;

> Subject: [UKBN] Ranking countries by risk of crime against birders
> Date: 19 April 1998 21:05
> I think it might perhaps be helpful to try to categorize countries by the
risk of crime against 
> birders.  It's very difficult to judge the danger from reading press
reports, since stories about crime 
> don't distinguish between the crime that is unlikely to affect birders
and crime that might.  For 
> example, Brazil is quite a safe country for birders, despite having the
second highest murder rate 
> in South America after Colombia, and despite the fact that dude tourists
sometimes are mugged in 
> touristy places that birders tend to avoid, such as downtown Foz do
Iguacu.  On the other hand, 
> many ecotourists have been the victims of crime in Costa Rica and
Ecuador, which tend to receive 
> more favorable press coverage than Brazil.  Reports out of Indonesia
might lead one to believe 
> that a visitor would be subject to great danger of assault, but Indonesia
is one of the safest tropical 
> countries in which to go birding.  On the other hand, neighboring Papua
New Guinea is one of the 
> most dangerous.
> Without any statistics at hand, I have compiled an incomplete list, which
is submitted here for 
> comment:
> High risk of crime against birders:
> Colombia
> Peru
> Nigeria
> Liberia
> Sierra Leone
> Kenya
> South Africa
> Angola
> Mozambique
> Congo (ex-Belgian Congo)
> Algeria
> (and undoubtedly other African countries)
> Papua New Guinea
> Russia
> Somewhat dangerous:
> Mexico
> Belize
> Guatemala
> Costa Rica
> Ecuador
> Chile
> Uganda
> Ivory Coast
> Cameroon
> Zimbabwe
> Nepal
> Turkey
> Reasonably safe (if New York City and Miami are considered "reasonably
> Brazil
> Argentina
> Paraguay
> Uruguay
> Indonesia
> Malaysia
> Brunei
> Thailand
> China
> France
> Belgium
> Italy
> Safer than home (New York City):
> Canada
> England
> Netherlands
> Denmark
> Norway
> Sweden
> Finland
> Germany
> Switzerland
> Poland
> Austria
> Iceland
> Taiwan
> Japan
> Singapore
> Australia
> New Zealand
> John Wall
> Scarsdale, New York
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