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<div>No replies to this on the groups.io list so I thought I would try here=
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One of my recorders is an Olympus LS-11, which I primarily use with a PBBA =
based on EM172 microphone capsules. The LS-11 PIP input is not ideal for th=
e EM172 due to average input impedance (2K Ohms), but it does pretty well. =
The Sony PCM-M10 (and the much more
expensive PCM-D100) work very well, due to a combination of low EIN and hi=
gh input impedance (22K Ohms). I don't own either Sony but have tested and =
verified this on the PCM-M10.
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<div>I am concerned that my LS-11 is getting old and will not last forever,=
and I have no backup other than a Sony MZRH1 Minidisc recorder, which has =
an excellent PIP input, but has mechanical noise and files that are a pain =
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<div>Among current-production handheld recorders, which has the best PIP in=
put, both in terms of preamp noise and impedance to work well wi th EM172 c=
apsules (which have an impedance of 2.4K Ohms)? PIP input specs are not oft=
en published by the manufacturers,
so this information is hard to find. Raimund's information on <a href=3D"h=
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http://www.avisoft.com/recorder-tests</a> appears to be up to date, and is =
very helpful, but does not always clarify (as in the case of the Tascam DR-=
100 mk3) whether the measurements are for the XLR input, the PIP input, or =
both. The reference manual for the
DR-100 mk3 specifies 50K Ohms for the input impedance. If Raimund's EIN of=
-126 dBu applies to the PIP input, then the DR-100 MK3 looks to be the bes=
t of the bunch, equal to the PCM-D100 at less than half the cost.</div>
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<div>So, which current-production, mid-priced, handheld recorders have good=
PIP inputs for use with EM172 capsules, based on your experience? Is the D=
R-100 MK3 the best of those? Are there others worth considering?</div>
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