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Subject: [Nature Recordists] Digest Number 6791
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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 01:22:48 +0000
There are 7 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Advice on recording in sacred groves    
    From:  m_pesente
1b. Re: Advice on recording in sacred groves    
    From: Klas
1c. Re: Advice on recording in sacred groves    
    From: Klas
1d. Re: Advice on recording in sacred groves    
    From: Peter Annear

2a. New CD "Soundscapes From Malheur: A Gem in the Oregon High Desert"    
    From:  dinpdx
2b. Re: New CD "Soundscapes From Malheur: A Gem in the Oregon High Deser    
    From: Bernie Krause
2c. Re: New CD "Soundscapes From Malheur: A Gem in the Oregon High Deser    
    From:  dinpdx


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1a. Re: Advice on recording in sacred groves
    Posted by:   m_pesente
    Date: Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:35 am ((PDT))

Hi Klas, did you refer to the fantastic Telinga mps1 microphone?   Marco 
Pesente 







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1b. Re: Advice on recording in sacred groves
    Posted by: "Klas"  klasstrandberg
    Date: Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:01 am ((PDT))

No, the one I have suggested is a multi purpose mic, ie, you can select 
both channels from omni to sub cardioid to cardioid to eight + M/S with 
omni or sub cardioiod or cardioid.
It takes skill and time to make truthful recordings in caves and you 
have to find the best combination. Blumline is no good, perhaps XY, I 
would start trying M/S.
I use the mic for now, but you can have it at the end of June. A good 
insurance is needed.

Klas.

On 2017-04-21 18:03, Peter Annear  
[naturerecordists] wrote:
>
>
> Dear Gregory and Klas
> I am very grateful for your advice. I have managed to get a Fostex 
> FR2-LE and now feel a little more confident equipment -wise. Now comes 
> the interesting.... and harder part which is to respond creatively to 
> those sounds around me. I think having plenty of time will be very 
> important.
> Regarding a stereo one point mic: is the one you suggested you could 
> supply, Klas, similar to the one Gregory has mentioned? (AT BP-4025).
> Once again, thank you for your encouragement
> Peter
>
>
>
> On Friday, 21 April 2017, 5:05, "'Gregory O'Drobinak' 
>  [naturerecordists]" 
> <> wrote:
>
>
> Peter:
>
> The Fostex FR2-LE is the closest that one can get to the low-noise mic 
> preamps of a Sound Devices recorder.
> I have one and it is good!
>
> You seem to have good mics already (especially the SASS 'copy'), so 
> you are well on your way to getting some great recordings!
>
> I normally prefer the SASS for capturing the ambiance of spaces, but 
> if you wish to use a stereo one-point mic, I would recommend the AT 
> BP-4025 [phantom powered].
>
>
> Good luck in your quest and I wish I could be there to hear it as well!
> Remember: Always let your ears be the guide for setup and recording.
>
> Spend some time listening to the space before planting your mic.
> If it sounds good in your headphones, then it is good.
>
>
> Ciao!
>
> - Gregory
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* "Peter Annear  [naturerecordists]" 
> <>
> *To:* "" 
> <>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 20, 2017 11:42 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Nature Recordists] Advice on recording in sacred groves
>
> Dear Klas,
> Thank you for such a swift and positive response. I am very much a 
> lightweight (literally and metaphorically) amateur sound recordist. I 
> use a Olympus LS14 and Marantz PMD 660 with a homemade lightweight 
> SASS rig based on a pair of Primo omnis, a shotgun mic and JrF contact 
> mics and hydrophone.
> A high class stereo mic with various configurations available sounds 
> amazing. I know that an SD is out of my budget and couldn't find a 
> Tascam FR2LE in my searches. I did find a Fostex FR2LE and maybe these 
> are one and the same? Would this stereo mic work with the Marantz 
> (would it do it justice!). Your advice would be very much appreciated.
> With best wishes
> Peter
>
>
> On Thursday, 20 April 2017, 13:26, "Klas  
> [naturerecordists]" <> wrote:
>
>
> I´ll be happy to supply a high class multi purpose (X-Y / M-S / 
> Blumline) stereo microphone for this project. You will need a SD 
> recorder or Tascam FR2LE.
>
> Klas.
>
> On 2017-04-19 23:35, Peter Annear  
> <> [naturerecordists] wrote:
>> I have the most amazing sound recording opportunity and I would 
>> appreciate advice, guidance and creative responses. Please.
>> There is a wonderful region of Greece called Zagoria. It’s right up 
>> in the northwest corner, close to the Albanian border. This is 
>> limestone country with fantastically tilted slab mountains, gorges, 
>> canyons, extraordinarily clear turquoise waters, stone arched 
>> bridges, rare flora and fauna with wolves, bears and wild boar and 
>> nearly 50 traditional villages with stone roofed houses, terraced 
>> gardens and wonderful mountain food.
>> In summer the temperatures can reach the 40s and in the winter we can 
>> experience minus 20 with over a meter of snow; violent thunder and 
>> rainstorms can change the landscape dramatically in a matter of 
>> minutes. This is a place steeped in the past and on the move.
>> Here, although disappearing, are flocks of mountain goats and sheep, 
>> dogs, transhumance, Sarakatsani travellers and music that is like 
>> nothing else on earth; the sound of the rivers, the birds, of 
>> shepherds’ laments and yearning for times past and times passing. It 
>> is the clarinet, violin, laoute and the human voice that call back 
>> memories and evoke a pastoral long gone sound.
>> This is a spiritual and sacred area with many “exoklisia” (small 
>> shrines and chapels outside the villages), monasteries clinging to 
>> rock faces and sacred spaces in wooded groves in the mountains, by 
>> rivers and other remote places.
>> These sacred groves are carefully preserved secrets: not for the 
>> tourist trail to be treated lightly, but spaces of special 
>> significance for the villagers to connect with the spiritual and 
>> ecological elements of their simply profound existence.
>> At the University of Ioannina there is a biologist and ecologist, who 
>> has researched these sacred groves in great detail. She has agreed to 
>> collaborate on a sound recording project with me.
>> I want to do this project justice; I would like it to have sonic, 
>> artistic and ecological integrity, I would like to explore sounds 
>> that exemplify these sacred spaces and sounds rarely heard or 
>> disappearing, I would like it to inspire care for this fragile place, 
>> I would like it to encourage deeper listening. It should take time, I 
>> want appropriate equipment, I need to make the right connections and 
>> I need to think about how we can celebrate this in a way that brings 
>> together all those who care. I am just starting….with an empty page.
>> Any responses gratefully received.
>> Thank you
>> Peter Annear
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





Messages in this topic (11)
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1c. Re: Advice on recording in sacred groves
    Posted by: "Klas"  klasstrandberg
    Date: Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:04 am ((PDT))

Hi Marco!

Yes. I use it only as a reference mic, comparing other mics and that is 
a shame. It should be used much more. There is no single mic that can 
replace it, only complicated combos.
Hope Verona is fine! I´m sure it is!

Klas

  On 2017-04-22 15:35,  [naturerecordists] wrote:
>
>
> Hi Klas, did you refer to the fantastic Telinga mps1 microphone?
> Marco Pesente
>
>
> 





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________________________________________________________________________
1d. Re: Advice on recording in sacred groves
    Posted by: "Peter Annear"  
    Date: Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:22 am ((PDT))

That is very kind of you Klas....I'm overwhelmed! Thank you. What value for 
insurance and carriage in both directions? A lot of the recording will be in 
wooded groves so your suggestion of starting with M/S sounds good for that too. 
If I can acquire those skills with this I shall be delighted. How long would 
you be prepared to loan it for? The reason for asking is that I anticipate this 
being a long term project and I am running on a tight budget. If I have a time 
frame I may be able to focus my recording regime to make best use of this 
amazing microphone. I will be in Greece until mid July so would have some time 
to use it then. Once again, Thank you,Peter 

   

 On Saturday, 22 April 2017, 15:01, "Klas  
[naturerecordists]" <> wrote:
 

     No, the one I have suggested is a multi purpose mic, ie, you can 
selectboth channels from omni to sub cardioid to cardioid to eight + M/S 
withomni or sub cardioiod or cardioid.
It takes skill and time to make truthful recordings in caves and youhave to 
find the best combination. Blumline is no good, perhaps XY, Iwould start trying 
M/S.
I use the mic for now, but you can have it at the end of June. A goodinsurance 
is needed. 

Klas.

On 2017-04-21 18:03, Peter Annear  wrote:
  Dear Gregoryand Klas I am very grateful foryour advice. I have managed to get 
a Fostex FR2-LE and now feel alittle more confident equipment -wise. Now comes 
the interesting....and harder part which is to respond creatively to those 
sounds aroundme. I think having plenty of time will be very important. 
Regarding a stereo onepoint mic: is the one you suggested you could supply, 
Klas, similar tothe one Gregory has mentioned? (AT BP-4025).  Onceagain, thank 
you for your encouragement Peter 
  
 
      On Friday, 21 April 2017,5:05, "'Gregory O'Drobinak' 
" <> 
wrote:
  
 
         Peter: 
  The FostexFR2-LE is the closest that one can get to the low-noise mic preamps 
ofa Sound Devices recorder. I have oneand it is good! 
  You seem tohave good mics already (especially the SASS 'copy'), so you are 
well onyour way to getting some great recordings! 
  I normallyprefer the SASS for capturing the ambiance of spaces, but if you 
wishto use a stereo one-point mic, I would recommend the AT BP-4025[phantom 
powered].  
  
  Good luck inyour quest and I wish I could be there to hear it as well! 
Remember:Always let your ears be the guide for setup and recording. 
  Spend sometime listening to the space before planting your mic. If it 
soundsgood in your headphones, then it is good. 
  
  Ciao! 
  -Gregory 
 
          From: "Peter  
[naturerecordists]"<>
 To:""<> 
 Sent: Thursday, April20, 2017 11:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [NatureRecordists] Advice on recording in sacred groves
  
        DearKlas, Thank you forsuch a swift and positive response. I am very 
much a lightweight(literally and metaphorically) amateur sound recordist. I use 
a OlympusLS14 and Marantz PMD 660 with a homemade lightweight SASS rig based 
ona pair of Primo omnis, a shotgun mic and JrF contact mics andhydrophone. A 
high classstereo mic with various configurations available sounds amazing.I 
know that an SD is out of my budget and couldn't find a Tascam FR2LEin my 
searches. I did find a Fostex FR2LE and maybe these are one andthe same? Would 
this stereo mic work with the Marantz (would it do itjustice!). Your advice 
would be very much appreciated. Withbest wishes Peter 
 
       On Thursday, 20 April 2017, 13:26, "Klas 
" <> wrote:
  
 
        I´ll be happy to supply a high class multi purpose (X-Y / M-S 
/Blumline) stereo microphone for this project. You will need a SDrecorder or 
Tascam FR2LE.
 
Klas.
 
On 2017-04-19 23:35, Peter Annear  
wrote:   
  I havethe mostamazing sound recording opportunity and Iwould appreciate 
advice, guidance and creative responses. Please.  Thereis a wonderfulregion of 
Greece called Zagoria. It’sright up in the northwest corner, close to the 
Albanian border. This islimestonecountry with fantastically tilted slab 
mountains, gorges, canyons,extraordinarilyclear turquoise waters, stone arched 
bridges, rare flora and fauna withwolves,bears and wild boar and nearly 50 
traditional villages with stoneroofedhouses, terraced gardens and wonderful 
mountain food.  Insummer thetemperatures can reach the 40s and in thewinter we 
can experience minus 20 with over a meter of snow; violentthunderand rainstorms 
can change the landscape dramatically in a matter ofminutes.This is a place 
steeped in the past and on the move. Here,althoughdisappearing, are flocks of 
mountain goatsand sheep, dogs, transhumance, Sarakatsani travellers and music 
that islikenothing else on earth; the sound of the rivers, the birds, 
ofshepherds’laments and yearning for times past and times passing. It is 
theclarinet, violin,laoute and the human voice that call back memories and 
evoke a pastorallonggone sound.  Thisis a spiritualand sacred area with many 
“exoklisia”(small shrines and chapels outside the villages), monasteries 
clingingto rockfaces and sacred spaces in wooded groves in the mountains, by 
riversand other remoteplaces. Thesesacred grovesare carefully preserved 
secrets: not forthe tourist trail to be treated lightly, but spaces of 
specialsignificance forthe villagers to connect with the spiritual and 
ecological elements oftheirsimply profound existence. At theUniversity 
ofIoannina there is a biologist andecologist, who has researched these sacred 
groves in great detail. Shehasagreed to collaborate on a sound recording 
project with me. I wantto do thisproject justice; I would like it to havesonic, 
artistic and ecological integrity, I would like to exploresounds thatexemplify 
these sacred spaces and sounds rarely heard or disappearing,I wouldlike it to 
inspire care for this fragile place, I would like it toencouragedeeper 
listening. It should take time, I want appropriate equipment, Ineed tomake the 
right connections and I need to think about how we cancelebrate thisin a way 
that brings together all those who care. I am juststarting….with anempty page. 
Anyresponses gratefully received. Thank you Peter Annear  
  
    
 
            
 
              
 
       

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2a. New CD "Soundscapes From Malheur: A Gem in the Oregon High Desert"
    Posted by:   dinpdx
    Date: Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:00 am ((PDT))

Hi All,



I just published my first CD of soundscapes-  "Soundscapes From Malheur: A Gem 
in the Oregon High Desert". 



Here's an album description with some samples:



http://www.variedhush.com/p/soundscapes-from-malheur.html



I've learned a lot from this group and I especially want to thank Martyn 
Stewart for sharing his expertise through his annual nature recording workshop 
in Seattle, Washington. It was so informative and enjoyable I went back the 
next year. Actually it's happening again next weekend April 28-30, I wish I 
could be there. If anyone reading this is considering going, do it!



I also want to thank Dan Dugan for his post-production workshop offered through 
the Nature Sounds Society. Dan had all the answers to my post-production 
questions. 



Living in Portland, Oregon I've been fortunate to get to know fellow recordist 
John Hartog. It's nice to be able to meet and talk shop over a pint. Thanks 
John for all the advice. 



And thanks to Bernie for the inspiration to record soundscapes in the first 
place!



Dwight Porter

Portland, Oregon



www.variedhush.com 



Twitter ‪@variedhush‬



 







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________________________________________________________________________
2b. Re: New CD "Soundscapes From Malheur: A Gem in the Oregon High Deser
    Posted by: "Bernie Krause"  bigchirp1
    Date: Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:18 am ((PDT))

The examples are awesome, Dwight. Good luck with this. It’s a great 
representation of that biome.

Bernie Krause



> On Apr 22, 2017, at 10:00 AM,  [naturerecordists] 
> <> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I just published my first CD of soundscapes-  "Soundscapes From Malheur: A 
> Gem in the Oregon High Desert". 
> 
> Here's an album description with some samples:
> 
> http://www.variedhush.com/p/soundscapes-from-malheur.html 
> <http://www.variedhush.com/p/soundscapes-from-malheur.html>
> 
> I've learned a lot from this group and I especially want to thank Martyn 
> Stewart for sharing his expertise through his annual nature recording 
> workshop in Seattle, Washington. It was so informative and enjoyable I went 
> back the next year. Actually it's happening again next weekend April 28-30, I 
> wish I could be there. If anyone reading this is considering going, do it!
> 
> I also want to thank Dan Dugan for his post-production workshop offered 
> through the Nature Sounds Society. Dan had all the answers to my 
> post-production questions. 
> 
> Living in Portland, Oregon I've been fortunate to get to know fellow 
> recordist John Hartog. It's nice to be able to meet and talk shop over a 
> pint. Thanks John for all the advice. 
> 
> And thanks to Bernie for the inspiration to record soundscapes in the first 
> place!
> 
> Dwight Porter
> Portland, Oregon
> 
> www.variedhush.com <http://www.variedhush.com/> 
> 
> Twitter ‪@variedhush‬
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 





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2c. Re: New CD "Soundscapes From Malheur: A Gem in the Oregon High Deser
    Posted by:   dinpdx
    Date: Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:28 am ((PDT))

Thank you Bernie I really appreciate that!



Dwight



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"While a picture is worth a thousand words, a 
sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krause.



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