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Topics in this digest:
1a. In need of a new hi-end 2 channel field recorder
From: weaveofkev
1b. Re: In need of a new hi-end 2 channel field recorder
From: Emanuele Costantini
1c. Re: In need of a new hi-end 2 channel field recorder
From: kev.
1d. Re: In need of a new hi-end 2 channel field recorder
From: Emanuele Costantini
1e. Re: In need of a new hi-end 2 channel field recorder
From: Nick Dando
1f. Re: In need of a new hi-end 2 channel field recorder
From: kev.
2a. Re: Recorder suggestions?
From: elkhornson
2b. Re: Recorder suggestions?
From: Arnþór Helgason
2c. Re: Recorder suggestions?
From: Arnþór Helgason
3a. Re: Stereo Mic Setups
From: elkhornson
4a. Re: Need advice on how best to use MKH 8020s in the field
From: Juan Pablo Culasso Alonso
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1a. In need of a new hi-end 2 channel field recorder
Posted by: weaveofkev
Date: Thu Feb 9, 2017 1:25 am ((PST))
I am looking to purchase a simple 2 channel field recorder as I'll primarily be
using it to record nature sounds and other outdoor sounds(city, trains, cars)
but not limited to some Foley recording which is why I want to purchase someone
on the hi-end of the quality spectrum.
I'm eyeing the Sound Devices 702 and the Nagra Seven recorders. Both are 2
channel and have good preamps. Price isn't an issue. I am trying to find out
which of the two will be my best bet for years of dependable quality recording.
Self noise, limiter, menu simple to navigate, and travel-friendliness is
important.
I know there are a lot of Sound Devices owners out there and I'm finding very
little information on the Nagra Seven. Any input is welcome.
Thanks.
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1b. Re: In need of a new hi-end 2 channel field recorder
Posted by: "Emanuele Costantini" lamacchiacosta
Date: Thu Feb 9, 2017 2:34 am ((PST))
Hi weaveofkev,
where are you based? I know of a friend selling his SD744 for £800. I
guess with VAT on top. UK based. If is not gone already I could try to
put you in touch with him.
Thanks.
Emanuele
On 09/02/2017 10:18, [naturerecordists] wrote:
>
> I am looking to purchase a simple 2 channel field recorder as I'll
> primarily be using it to record nature sounds and other outdoor
> sounds(city, trains, cars) but not limited to some Foley recording
> which is why I want to purchase someone on the hi-end of the quality
> spectrum.
>
> I'm eyeing the Sound Devices 702 and the Nagra Seven recorders. Both
> are 2 channel and have good preamps. Price isn't an issue. I am trying
> to find out which of the two will be my best bet for years of
> dependable quality recording. Self noise, limiter, menu simple to
> navigate, and travel-friendliness is important.
>
> I know there are a lot of Sound Devices owners out there and I'm
> finding very little information on the Nagra Seven. Any input is welcome.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
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1c. Re: In need of a new hi-end 2 channel field recorder
Posted by: "kev." weaveofkev
Date: Thu Feb 9, 2017 5:13 am ((PST))
I'm in San Francisco, California.
I heard all the 7 series SD recorders have the same preamps. I'm aware the
744Ts is capable of recording 4 channels simultaneously but has 2 built in
preamps, which is all I'd need anyways.
Thanks for replying.
Thanks.
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 2:32 AM, Emanuele Costantini
[naturerecordists] <> wrote:
>
>
> Hi weaveofkev,
>
> where are you based? I know of a friend selling his SD744 for £800. I
> guess with VAT on top. UK based. If is not gone already I could try to put
> you in touch with him.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Emanuele
>
> On 09/02/2017 10:18, [naturerecordists] wrote:
>
>
>
> I am looking to purchase a simple 2 channel field recorder as I'll
> primarily be using it to record nature sounds and other outdoor
> sounds(city, trains, cars) but not limited to some Foley recording which is
> why I want to purchase someone on the hi-end of the quality spectrum.
>
> I'm eyeing the Sound Devices 702 and the Nagra Seven recorders. Both are 2
> channel and have good preamps. Price isn't an issue. I am trying to find
> out which of the two will be my best bet for years of dependable quality
> recording. Self noise, limiter, menu simple to navigate, and
> travel-friendliness is important.
>
> I know there are a lot of Sound Devices owners out there and I'm finding
> very little information on the Nagra Seven. Any input is welcome.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
“Have you ever heard a blindfolded octopus unwrap a cellophane-covered
bathtub?”
― Norton Juster <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/214.Norton_Juster>,
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1d. Re: In need of a new hi-end 2 channel field recorder
Posted by: "Emanuele Costantini" lamacchiacosta
Date: Thu Feb 9, 2017 5:30 am ((PST))
Yes, correct.
Emanuele
On 09/02/2017 14:04, 'kev.' [naturerecordists] wrote:
> I'm in San Francisco, California.
> I heard all the 7 series SD recorders have the same preamps. I'm aware
> the 744Ts is capable of recording 4 channels simultaneously but has 2
> built in preamps, which is all I'd need anyways.
> Thanks for replying.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 2:32 AM, Emanuele Costantini
> <>
> [naturerecordists] <
> <>> wrote:
>
> Hi weaveofkev,
>
> where are you based? I know of a friend selling his SD744 for
> £800. I guess with VAT on top. UK based. If is not gone already I
> could try to put you in touch with him.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Emanuele
>
>
> On 09/02/2017 10:18,
> <> [naturerecordists] wrote:
>>
>> I am looking to purchase a simple 2 channel field recorder as
>> I'll primarily be using it to record nature sounds and other
>> outdoor sounds(city, trains, cars) but not limited to some Foley
>> recording which is why I want to purchase someone on the hi-end
>> of the quality spectrum.
>>
>> I'm eyeing the Sound Devices 702 and the Nagra Seven recorders.
>> Both are 2 channel and have good preamps. Price isn't an issue. I
>> am trying to find out which of the two will be my best bet for
>> years of dependable quality recording. Self noise, limiter, menu
>> simple to navigate, and travel-friendliness is important.
>>
>> I know there are a lot of Sound Devices owners out there and I'm
>> finding very little information on the Nagra Seven. Any input is
>> welcome.
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
> “Have you ever heard a blindfolded octopus unwrap a cellophane-covered
> bathtub?”
> ― Norton Juster <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/214.Norton_Juster>,
>
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1e. Re: In need of a new hi-end 2 channel field recorder
Posted by: "Nick Dando"
Date: Thu Feb 9, 2017 5:48 am ((PST))
I have a Nagra LB and the Seven (and a V gathering dust). The LB’s handling was
flawed, for me, by the use of the multi-function joy-stick-type button (which
rarely selected the right setting in my hands) and the use of a separate panel
on the top of the case for a lot of the function changes. It also didn’t
initially work well with Jez riley French’s contact mics and hydrophones, as it
created an audible “clock” noise at the high gain levels required, using the CF
cards. With Jez’s help I found that the USB port could be used to eliminate the
noise as it used different circuitry. A very good recorder, though.
The Seven is much better as nearly all the controls are software driven, apart
from the level controls, and can be tweaked. Software updates allow new
functions to be added, though the last update was back in April of last year.
The screen itself is very legible. I use my Seven as a line-level recorder with
a SQN-5S to feed the mics. I have the SQN case for the 5 and this allows me to
fit the 5 and the Seven with a few leads, tape and other small knick-knacks
into just one case.
The Lithium Polymer battery gives an extra two hours recording time, taking it
up to seven hours.
I bought both of my Nagras from Colin Atwell at Claudio Records.
Thanks
Nick
> On 9 Feb 2017, at 09:18, [naturerecordists]
> <> wrote:
>
>
> I am looking to purchase a simple 2 channel field recorder as I'll primarily
> be using it to record nature sounds and other outdoor sounds(city, trains,
> cars) but not limited to some Foley recording which is why I want to purchase
> someone on the hi-end of the quality spectrum.
>
> I'm eyeing the Sound Devices 702 and the Nagra Seven recorders. Both are 2
> channel and have good preamps. Price isn't an issue. I am trying to find out
> which of the two will be my best bet for years of dependable quality
> recording. Self noise, limiter, menu simple to navigate, and
> travel-friendliness is important.
>
> I know there are a lot of Sound Devices owners out there and I'm finding very
> little information on the Nagra Seven. Any input is welcome.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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1f. Re: In need of a new hi-end 2 channel field recorder
Posted by: "kev." weaveofkev
Date: Thu Feb 9, 2017 5:09 pm ((PST))
I needed a Nagra Seven owner's input.
Thank you for the useful info Nick.
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:48 AM, Nick Dando
[naturerecordists] <> wrote:
>
>
> I have a Nagra LB and the Seven (and a V gathering dust). The LB’s
> handling was flawed, for me, by the use of the multi-function
> joy-stick-type button (which rarely selected the right setting in my hands)
> and the use of a separate panel on the top of the case for a lot of the
> function changes. It also didn’t initially work well with Jez riley
> French’s contact mics and hydrophones, as it created an audible “clock”
> noise at the high gain levels required, using the CF cards. With Jez’s help
> I found that the USB port could be used to eliminate the noise as it used
> different circuitry. A very good recorder, though.
>
> The Seven is much better as nearly all the controls are software driven,
> apart from the level controls, and can be tweaked. Software updates allow
> new functions to be added, though the last update was back in April of last
> year. The screen itself is very legible. I use my Seven as a line-level
> recorder with a SQN-5S to feed the mics. I have the SQN case for the 5 and
> this allows me to fit the 5 and the Seven with a few leads, tape and other
> small knick-knacks into just one case.
>
> The Lithium Polymer battery gives an extra two hours recording time,
> taking it up to seven hours.
>
> I bought both of my Nagras from Colin Atwell at Claudio Records.
>
> Thanks
>
> Nick
>
> On 9 Feb 2017, at 09:18, [naturerecordists] <
> > wrote:
>
>
> I am looking to purchase a simple 2 channel field recorder as I'll
> primarily be using it to record nature sounds and other outdoor
> sounds(city, trains, cars) but not limited to some Foley recording which is
> why I want to purchase someone on the hi-end of the quality spectrum.
>
> I'm eyeing the Sound Devices 702 and the Nagra Seven recorders. Both are 2
> channel and have good preamps. Price isn't an issue. I am trying to find
> out which of the two will be my best bet for years of dependable quality
> recording. Self noise, limiter, menu simple to navigate, and
> travel-friendliness is important.
>
> I know there are a lot of Sound Devices owners out there and I'm finding
> very little information on the Nagra Seven. Any input is welcome.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
“Have you ever heard a blindfolded octopus unwrap a cellophane-covered
bathtub?”
― Norton Juster <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/214.Norton_Juster>,
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2a. Re: Recorder suggestions?
Posted by: elkhornson
Date: Thu Feb 9, 2017 10:00 am ((PST))
I went with the Zoom H6 to have the ability to use either XLR or TRS 1/4" phono
jacks from mic cables and be able to use self-powered mics or ones that require
phantom power. It was also important to have an adequate amp for the headset so
I can monitor what is being recorded and this is a shortcoming with some
otherwise excellent small sound recorders.
Lots of excellent and inexpensive microphones that require phantom power as
most mics are made either for studio use or pro ENG use and so they are
designed to take advantage of phantom power to produce a better signal to noise
ratio.
I prefer no having to deal with a separate external battery box and 9 volt
batteries and use the H6 with its AA batteries to power itself and the
microphones. Less expensive in total and a simpler setup in the field.
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2b. Re: Recorder suggestions?
Posted by: "Arnþór Helgason"
Date: Thu Feb 9, 2017 12:02 pm ((PST))
I agree with you so far as I have used my H6 for a short time only.
You can find on my blogpage a recent recording of a strong wind. I
really thought that the Zoom would be blown out of my hand even though I
thought that I had placed my self at a safe place.
Best regards,
Arnthor
Þann 9.2.2017 18:00, skrifaði [naturerecordists]:
>
> I went with the Zoom H6 to have the ability to use either XLR or TRS
> 1/4" phono jacks from mic cables and be able to use self-powered mics
> or ones that require phantom power. It was also important to have an
> adequate amp for the headset so I can monitor what is being recorded
> and this is a shortcoming with some otherwise excellent small sound
> recorders.
>
> Lots of excellent and inexpensive microphones that require phantom
> power as most mics are made either for studio use or pro ENG use and
> so they are designed to take advantage of phantom power to produce a
> better signal to noise ratio.
>
> I prefer no having to deal with a separate external battery box and 9
> volt batteries and use the H6 with its AA batteries to power itself
> and the microphones. Less expensive in total and a simpler setup in
> the field.
>
>
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2c. Re: Recorder suggestions?
Posted by: "Arnþór Helgason"
Date: Thu Feb 9, 2017 12:04 pm ((PST))
Sorry,
the url is
http://hljod.blog.is
Arnthor
Þann 9.2.2017 18:00, skrifaði [naturerecordists]:
>
> I went with the Zoom H6 to have the ability to use either XLR or TRS
> 1/4" phono jacks from mic cables and be able to use self-powered mics
> or ones that require phantom power. It was also important to have an
> adequate amp for the headset so I can monitor what is being recorded
> and this is a shortcoming with some otherwise excellent small sound
> recorders.
>
> Lots of excellent and inexpensive microphones that require phantom
> power as most mics are made either for studio use or pro ENG use and
> so they are designed to take advantage of phantom power to produce a
> better signal to noise ratio.
>
> I prefer no having to deal with a separate external battery box and 9
> volt batteries and use the H6 with its AA batteries to power itself
> and the microphones. Less expensive in total and a simpler setup in
> the field.
>
>
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3a. Re: Stereo Mic Setups
Posted by: elkhornson
Date: Thu Feb 9, 2017 10:11 am ((PST))
For the simplest and most compact stereo recording I bought the Audio Technica
BP4029 mic that has a M-S design utilizing a line-cardoid capsule and a
figuer-of-eight capsule and this mic is fairly resistant to humidity. It is
switch selectable to provide either Mid-Side or Matrixed sterio and also for a
wide pattern or a narrow pattern pickup.
I could not get my head wrapped around spending over $2,000 for a pair of 8040
mics but did invest in a pair of Rode NT55 mics for use with an ORTF rig using
a Rycote stereo bar with its two Lyre mic holders. At $140 for the bar and
another $50 for the two windmuffs it is a compact kit for travel though I need
to get a small case with a foam insert to fit it all into. The Rode case for
the pair of NT55 mics is enormous at 13 x 12 x 4 inches and not at all useful
though undoubtedly cheap for Rode to buy as this is a $2 case from China.
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4a. Re: Need advice on how best to use MKH 8020s in the field
Posted by: "Juan Pablo Culasso Alonso" jpculasso
Date: Thu Feb 9, 2017 4:51 pm ((PST))
Someone of you that uses ORtF, can send some samples?
Best,
Juan.
> On 6 Feb 2017, at 07:45, Dan Dugan [naturerecordists]
> <> wrote:
>
> Eric, you wrote,
>
> > The SASS and the Jecklin disk and the sphere microphone all fall into the
> > category of separation body microphones.
>
> Yes, I use the term “spaced omnis with barrier” for the class of arrays.
>
> > That is, omnidirectional microphones, although they are inherently great
> > microphones, don't lend themselves to making good stereo recordings. The
> > diffraction of the separation body gives the microphones directionality. My
> > experiences with a Jecklin disk relative to a sphere microphone are that
> > the disk separates the sound field into distinct left and right halves. The
> > sphere has a bit of the same problem but not nearly so bad.
>
> My experience with Jecklin disks has been quite the opposite of “bad,” but
> I’ve never tried a sphere, so maybe I don’t know what I’m missing.
>
> > In my experience, the best microphone array by far for making live
> > stereophonic recordings is the ORTF array.
>
> I recall an AES paper many years ago in which the ORTF array got the highest
> marks for accurate positioning of sources in a panorama. I don’t remember if
> those experiments included the Jecklin disk, though. Not near my files at the
> moment.
>
> -Dan
>
>
>
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