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Date: Sat May 17, 2014 5:11 am ((PDT))
Went to an interesting research talk this week on acoustics "caterpillars t=
alk, butterflies listen" by Jayne Yack. While many moths can hear, only a=
few butterflies can. It was once believed that butterflies could not hear=
and they were/are used as a symbol by some deaf communities. The moths are=
able to hear the calls of bats. This was partially demonstrated in a vide=
o where a moth flew past and when a electronic dog whistle (used to grab do=
gs attention out of our hearing range) was set off, the moth did an amazing=
aerobatic manoeuvre to avoid capture. This can also be done by jingling c=
ar keys when a moth flies past. The hearing area for butterflies is in fr=
ont of the wings and has a membrane with organs within, which detect sound =
well in our range---likely to hear birds calls and possibly the sound of wi=
ngs approaching. Some caterpillars make warning calls when attacked, as c=
aptured by a laser vibronomter (if that is spelled right). Although I thin=
k some regular mics were used to pick this up too. The click sounds are re=
peated and a regurgitation occurs if needed (some potentially toxic).
(some related reading: http://io9.com/now-we-know-why-butterflies-evolved-t=
o-have-ears-1152166029 )
Chad Clifford
On 2014-05-16, at 10:20 PM, Bernie Krause [naturere=
cordists] wrote:
> Interesting discussion, whoever you are (you didn=92t identify yourself i=
n your note altho I=92m assuming =93Bob."). You might find some of the answ=
ers (or at least the route to answers) in my recent book, =93The Great Anim=
al Orchestra: Finding the Origins of Music in the World=92s Wild Places,=94=
Little Brown/Hachette, 2012.
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> Bernie Krause
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> On May 16, 2014, at 6:32 PM, [naturerecordists]=
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>> I'm working on something I call Dialogic Form. It shows how there is a t=
onal and rhythmic interdependency within human (and possibly animal) commun=
ication. Because I am a musician, I have noticed that there is a subtle and=
subconscious mimicry that takes place within dialogues, similar to how bab=
ies learn how to speak. It goes something like this: If person X says 'Kaku=
has a sexy brain!', person Y will utter at least one of the previously hea=
rd phonics back into the dialogue; either a, 'ka' 'kou' 'ou' 'hhh' 'as' 'zz=
z' 'a' 'sss' 'xi' 'eee' 'ba' 'bra' 'rain' 'ain' 'ai', or 'nnn' - AND - not =
only mimic the tone or sound but also mimic the rhythm or beat of at least =
one of those sounds. In a healthy conversation, person X will utter a sound=
and then person Y will, without fail (so it seems) also rally back that so=
und when it's their turn to speak in the conversation. In this way the dial=
ogue evolves, with each person spinning off the other. This can be shown by=
(roughly) scoring a conversation to musical notation, graphically depictin=
g how the conversation is structured; which phonics are common, how they ar=
e related, and how they develop in time. Revealing the Dialogic Form (or th=
e relationship of conversational elements/structure) might also show how an=
imals communicate (a slurp of the tongue, the stomping of the paw, wave of =
a fin; body language/movements which mimic certain rhythms and patterns), a=
nd how they might even communicate with us using this kind of mimicry. The =
other part to this is the frequency and rhythmic echo or ping of brainwaves=
- slightly more difficult to graph (of course, each animal will communicat=
e at their own unique tempo/volume; a hyper ant or hummingbird might 'speak=
' faster or more quiet than a lethargic whale). It would be important to fi=
gure this out because, among other things, if we can't understand how we hu=
mans communicate with one another, not to mention how we might communicate =
with animals - how are we supposed to communicate with aliens; unless they =
speak English? It's a work in progress.
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>> I am quite convinced that animals are much more intelligent than human b=
eings; in fact, I suspect that they use sound-telepathy to literally repeat=
, like a parrot does, not only the sounds pitches and rhythms that they hea=
r around them, or those that stand out, but also the actual brainwaves that=
they seem to be sensitive to. I know its a stretch - but I also suspect th=
at even flies and other insects can do this; when was the last time you lis=
tened carefully to what a fly had to say - likely something it heard some o=
ne else say, and came to deliver the message to you; but were you listening=
? Crazy, right - or is it?
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>> Sesame Street - Words that rhyme with EN.
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>> Sesame Street - Words that rhyme with EN.
>> This cartoon shows words that rhyme with EN.
>> View on www.youtube.com
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