Alan,
The Edutige mic looks intriguing. I had a listen to a sample
recording but it seems to me that the hiss-noise increases along with
the stronger signal from the mic, so it is not doing much more than
amplifying the sound you are already getting from the iPhone. All
the same, such gadgets can be useful to documenting wildlife sounds
if nothing else is available. You would probably find the windshield
is inadequate, but better than nothing.
If you want to use a larger better quality mic you have to consider
handling noise and most likely you would need a handle and shock-
mount for it, and a decent wind cover such as one of the 'softie'
types. By the time you have all of that (e.g. Sennheiser ME66 gun
mic is a great field mic for species recording), then you might as
well go with a purpose-built recorder such as Sony or Olympus or
whatever (lots of references on this list), and you can then set the
recording sample rate to 96 K which will be useful for insect
recordings.
Meanwhile, you can probably do quite a lot with the iPhone and it
would be no worse than the equipment that many of us started out with
e.g. hissy cassette recorders and tie-pin microphones.
good luck!
Vicki
On 26/11/2012, at 9:06 AM, symmerista wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I'm intrigued by the iRig Pre. For my field biology class I bought
> a $30 Edutige EIM-001 i-Microphone for my iPhone, and it definitely
> made sounds somewhat louder, which helped for our main purposes of
> recording unknown animals for later identification. The Edutige
> also worked with most of my students' various Android phones,
> though it's not marketed as such. Any chance that the iRig likewise
> has unadvertised Android compatibility?
>
> My main question, however, is what microphone would be a good,
> inexpensive choice to connect to an iphone/iRig setup. My
> objectives, for now, are not to produce "publication quality"
> sounds, but to capture good-quality sounds of birds, singing
> insects, frogs and toads for documentation and identification
> purposes. Portability is important, as I also lug around a fair bit
> of camera equipment. I've looked at the specs of many different
> mikes, but after a while my head starts spinning as I don't know
> nearly enough to decide which pros and cons are most relevant!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alan
>
> --- In "Max" <>
> wrote:
>>
>> I did further testing last night, and decided to take another
>> approach this morning. Instead of starting from low level (2 or 3)
>> on the LS-10, I set iRig to minimum and maxed Olympus to 10. I
>> then slowly increased gain while studying the signal level on the
>> Olympus. I then compared recordings using spectogram view on
>> Audition. Although not particularly scientific, I'm of the opinion
>> that this method produces quieter results. I need to re-do the
>> last test tonight to confirm my opinion. I would really love for
>> one of our techy sound specialists to get hold of one of these and
>> test. The weather in the UK at the moment is pretty horrendous,
>> and it doesn't look like I'll be getting out to record wildfowl
>> coming into roost within the next few days. I can't wait to try
>> this out in 'the field'.
>> Cheers
>> Max
>>
>>
>> --- In "Max" <maxcatterwell@>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi to Marco and all,
>>> The lead arrived today, and I have just tested it and this is
>>> what I've found. Plug into MIC; Turn LS-10 gain to 2 and reduce
>>> iRig gain to minimum. Set sense to Low and turn on to Record
>>> Pause; adjust gain on iRig. There will be no response if gain is
>>> set to zero on LS-10.
>>> I've done a very quick test with these settings, and at maximum
>>> gain on the iRig, and I have to say that I'm extremely surprised
>>> at the quality. All being well I'll do another test late at night
>>> with no outdoor traffic, and with all nearby electrical
>>> components turned off. I will then submit a short sample for one
>>> of our 'tech boys' to examine, and give us a more critical
>>> opinion. I should have said that the mic I used was an AT3032.
>>> One thing already for the 'tech boys' is, that Audition showed
>>> two identical waveforms; not one?
>>> Cheers
>>> Max
>>> p.s. recording at 88.2 - 24bit.
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In "Max" <maxcatterwell@>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Marco,
>>>> You are of course perfectly correct in saying that headphones
>>>> can be used via the recording unit! As I understand it, the eBay
>>>> connector socket is designed to take a TRRS jack as the iPhone/
>>>> iPod has. The advert has MAC in the title, and also says
>>>> 'Convert your stereo headphones that also have an integrated
>>>> microphone'.
>>>> It will be interesting to find out; I too have ordered one, on
>>>> the basis that I'm in no rush, and it's easier!
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Max
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- In m.pesente@ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Max,
>>>>> I know, it's a fancy way of what I have done to connect the
>>>>> iRig Pre to an external recorder, but it's the only way I was
>>>>> able to ensure that everything is working.
>>>>> Listening is done by connecting the headphones to the recorder
>>>>> (using FelMicamp cable for now!), while the headphone jack of
>>>>> the IRig Pre must be plugged with a 4 pins Jack, preferably
>>>>> with the headset for Iphone (do not ask me why, but in my case
>>>>> it is so!), because there is no signal for headphones from Irig
>>>>> Pre!
>>>>> I just bought on Ebay the cable you sent the link: I hope it
>>>>> works, even if I have some doubts because the OUT on iRig Pre
>>>>> (as previously said)seems to be plugged with a 4 pins jack
>>>>> instead of 3 pins, but soon we'll know!
>>>>> I hope I explained the best...
>>>>> Thanks for the Ebay link!
>>>>>
>>>>> Marco Pesente from Italy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In "Max" <maxcatterwell@>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Pesente,
>>>>>> Many thanks for your input here. I have to confess that I
>>>>>> didn't fully understand your explanation, probably because I'm
>>>>>> not really awake yet! If I did understand that you're using
>>>>>> the headphone OUT on the iRig, then I'm confused, because I
>>>>>> thought I'd read somewhere that the headphone OUT was not
>>>>>> passed through from the iRig, but was a return from the
>>>>>> iPhone? BUT, I'm not that well educated in this area, so I
>>>>>> probably got it wrong.
>>>>>> Anyway, one method I was going to try, being quite lazy, was
>>>>>> this:
>>>>>> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330820239423?
>>>>>> ssPageName=3DSTRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=3Dp3984.m1423.l2649
>>>>>> To make it neater you could cut off the headphone lead and
>>>>>> insulate. The only problem with this is, if what I heard is
>>>>>> correct, then there wouldn't be any signal from the iRig
>>>>>> headphone output.
>>>>>> Can you enlighten me on any of this please?
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In m.pesente@ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Max,
>>>>>>> I connected the iRig Pre to some of my small audio recorders
>>>>>>> (M10, LS5, Roland R05, Zoom H1 etc) feeding a single AT 3032
>>>>>>> Ph 48v with very good results. I am very pleased with this
>>>>>>> small microphone preamplifier iRig Pre suggested me by Gianni
>>>>>>> Pavan. In order to use the iRig Pre on a device other than a =
>>>>>>> IOs system (iPhone, etc.), for which it was designed, just
>>>>>>> plug in a 3.5mm "four pins" jack (the same of an IPhone
>>>>>>> headphones cable) to the IRig Pre headphones OUT and a pair
>>>>>>> of headphones 3,5 Jack connected to a 10 cm cable "FEL Socket
>>>>>>> Saver, stereo" sold by FelMicAmp. Only in this way I'm able
>>>>>>> to obtain at the same time to record and monitor the
>>>>>>> recording with a device different from IPhone system.
>>>>>>> Max, once you have made or found a cable that enables to
>>>>>>> connect the iRig Pre with an audio recorder in an easier way
>>>>>>> than mine, I would be grateful if you would inform us.
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pesente Marco from Italy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I apologize for any mistakes due to typing by cell phone and
>>>>>>> the help of the online translator!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- In "Max"
>>>>>>> <maxcatterwell@> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Mike and all,
>>>>>>>> Apologies for not getting back earlier. I have to say that
>>>>>>>> I'm quite impressed with the iRig pre. I tried it using my
>>>>>>>> only remaining AT3032 (really wish I hadn't sold my other
>>>>>>>> two!) and the quality improvement over the internal mic of
>>>>>>>> my iPod Touch was obvious. Most obvious was loss of low
>>>>>>>> frequency random noise, in addition to the obvious benefit
>>>>>>>> of gain. My simple tests were using my 66 year old ears,
>>>>>>>> which aren't that good, so take this as you will; I'm sorry
>>>>>>>> it's not more scientific. What I intend to do next is to try
>>>>>>>> the beast with my LS-10 after buying/making an adapter.
>>>>>>>> As an aside note, I re-tried the the Nakamichi CM-300 set
>>>>>>>> again yesterday with my LS-10. This time, I used the low
>>>>>>>> setting sense setting and then upped amplitude by 6db in
>>>>>>>> Audition. The results certainly confirmed what Umashankar
>>>>>>>> said; this is a really good quality, quiet and useful set to
>>>>>>>> carry (shotgun CP4 with very narrow super cardioid pattern;
>>>>>>>> omni and cardioid shorts). Whether or not I'd be prepared to
>>>>>>>> pay the asking price I've seen on eBay USA sometimes, I'm
>>>>>>>> not sure, but if any of you get the chance to pick one up
>>>>>>>> cheaply, I'd say don't hesitate. The only downside is that
>>>>>>>> the batteries are not cheap, but according to Umashankar
>>>>>>>> it's posssible to convert to phantom power.
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --- In "Max"
>>>>>>>> <maxcatterwell@> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No problem Mike, glad to be of help.
>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --- In Michael Dalton
>>>>>>>>> <mdaltonarielle@> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Howdy Max!
>>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the lead. I have filed it as a suggestion for
>>>>>>>>>> my friend.
>>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
>>>>>>>>>> I wonder why a budget US based supplier such as Nady
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't offer something similar. Maybe they do; I haven't
>>>>>>>>>> looked yet.
>>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
>>>>>>>>>> The LS-10 owner hasn't said=EF=BF=BDwhether any of my
>>>>>>>>>> suggestions have helped.
>>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>> Florida
>>>>>>>>>> www.ParrotSpeech.com
>>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
>>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
>>>>>>>>>> Re: Noise in LS-10
>>>>>>>>>> Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:35 am (PDT) . Posted by:
>>>>>>>>>> "Max" oatcruncher
>>>>>>>>>> Forgot the link:
>>>>>>>>>> http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ naturerecordists /
>>>>>>>>>> message/ 49179
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --- In naturerecordists@ yahoogroups. com, "Max"
>>>>>>>>>> <maxcatterwell@ ...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --- In naturerecordists@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Dalton
>>>>>>>>>>> <mdaltonarielle@ > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The other approach would be to use an external mike and
>>>>>>>>>>> preamp. Is there a miniature system that is decent and
>>>>>>>>>>> inexpensive for bypassing the internal mikes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>> Florida
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.parrotsp eech.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> See my iRig post here
>>>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
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