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1. Re: Background thumps in recording

Subject: 1. Re: Background thumps in recording
From: "Peter Shute" pshute2
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:20 pm ((PST))
This recent talk of peak frequencies and spectrums, etc, has reminded me that I 
didn't post a message about how I finally decided to locate all the faint 
thumps in my recording.

I have discovered the maximum frequency and FFT window size settings in 
Audacity's spectrogram preferences. If I set the maximum frequency to 200Hz and 
the window size to 32768, then I can see them very clearly as lines running 
from top to bottom on the plots. It's slow, and takes a few seconds to display 
each new screen, but being able to see them clearly makes me confident I'm 
finding them all. Hundreds of them :( 

The only other sounds on the recording that show similar lines are wing beats 
as birds flutter near the microphone. If I view just one or two minutes per 
screen then I can often tell the difference by the width of the lines and by 
the consistency of the colouring, but it's fairly simple to check them all. I 
hold the mouse over them and press "1" to play half a second either side of the 
mouse position, and label them appropriately.

Playing with these spectrogram settings has revealed detail I never realised 
existed in the low frequencies, and I can scan through and spot birds calling 
softly that I hadn't noticed before.

Peter Shute

> -----Original Message-----
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>  On Behalf Of Avocet
> Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012 4:39 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] Background thumps in recording
> 
>   
> 
> > I tried looking at the spectrogram first, but I found the low 
> > frequencies a bit hard to interpret on it, unlike bird calls, which 
> > make nice patterns.
> 
> Peter,
> 
> Spectrograms are a bit blurry at low frequencies and you 
> don't get many waveforms to work on. The thumps show up 
> clearly on the waveform display and you can count the waves 
> to get the exact frequency.
> 
> > Can you please explain "step function"? Is that like a square wave?
> 
> It is a pressure wave which makes a fast high or low change 
> and slowly returns to normal as with an explosion or sonic 
> boom. Unlike a burst of low frequncy waves, it contains a 
> wide range of frequncies. If these trigger a resonance like a 
> cavity or resonant windshield, that will then form a "boom" 
> sound. Similarly tapping a mic rig with a finger is a "step 
> function" and will make any resonances "ring" Same way that 
> bells work.
> 
> > I'm going to have a play with "fixing" them, but I might 
> end up just 
> > leaving them in as Keith Smith has suggested. Did you apply your 
> > filter to the whole recording, or just to those sections?
> 
> My filter was very extreme to see what was happening. The 
> main boom frequencies show up on a power spectrum and I would 
> try a bass rolloff from about 200Hz. Listen out for sounds 
> that you are prepared to lose along with the booms, but I'd 
> leave them in at a lower level. Back to an "artistic 
> judgement". Trying to filter out just the booms or editing 
> them out would sound messy.
> 
> Digital noise reduction is possible, but you have to define a "sample"
> of just what you want to remove. Fiddly. It's easier to 
> reduce the non-bird frequencies and select the best bits and 
> call it artistic judgement. :-)
> 
> > Mostly, although I'll have to take your word for things like 
> > "stimulated a local resonance".
> 
> I should have said "ringing a bell". :-( Was there a slight 
> wind blowing which could have been rocking the mic stand? I 
> frequently push the idea of trying the mic rig directly on 
> the ground to see what it sounds like there.
> 
> David
> 
> David Brinicombe
> North Devon, UK
> Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum - Ambrose Bierce
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 








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sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krause.



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