Sorry 'bout that! This tests OK -darned if I can see the difference ;)
http://www.samplesmith.com/NatRec/121114-GriffithWoods_Sony
ECM-MS907_661_InGain8.wav
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Max <> wrote:
> **
>
>
> Hi Keith!
> OK, the good news; I just love your brilliant piccie - devastatingly good=
!
> The bad news; the sound link doesn't work. I was so looking forward to
> listening to that, particularly as you went to all that trouble.
> So, you've got an uncle in Norwich? I live about 70 miles from there; it'=
s
> a beautiful city. Are you an ex pat, or is it one of those complicated
> stories? If so, you don't have to tell it!
> Hope you can sort the link
>
> Cheers
> Max
>
> --- In Keith Smith <> wrote=
:
> >
> > HI Max,
> > I've never sold anything good without regretting it later (usually
> within a
> > week!). A couple of those guitars would buy me a lovely mic closet toda=
y.
> >
> > I took the Sony ECM MS907 out this morning. Terrible day for air
> traffic. I
> > was on the edge of the city. Things are pretty slow for wildlife sounds
> > around here at this time of year (and at my skill level), so it won't
> sound
> > like my uncle's English country garden in Norwich!
> >
> > It's pretty hissy, but not the most objectionable hiss I've ever heard.
> The
> > MS907 is plugged into a Marantz PMD 661 with the gain set to 8. I haven=
't
> > applied any EQ, or postGain; just chopped and x-faded. At 2:12 I replay
> the
> > last few seconds with some gentle denoising (Voxengo Redunoise
> --signature
> > acquired from the under-the-bedclothes test) with 2db of makeup gain.
> > Temperature is about 4=B0C, gently breezy and you'll hear some snow fal=
ling
> > off trees in the sun. The creek will perhaps give a better idea of the
> > imaging at 120=B0, which hasn't been altered. I'm guessing this would b=
e
> > similar to the HD-P2 at about 7-7.5, as the Marantz pre's seem to offer=
a
> > little more, and quieter gain.
> >
> >
> http://www.samplesmith.com/NatRec/121114-GriffithWoods_SonyECM-MS907_661_=
InGain8.wav
> >
> > I also met a new
> > friend<http://www.samplesmith.com/NatRec/2012_11_14_IMG_0066-1-1.JPG>wh=
o
>
> > made my day -love these image-stabilizing tele's!
> > k
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Max <> wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Keith!
> > > Let's hope I have better luck with THIS reply!
> > > Firstly, in reference to the CAD 179, I do have one of those, and
> bought
> > > it with the intention of making up an M/S rig, but never did get
> around to
> > > it. The original idea was to use it with my MKH60 which I sold comple=
te
> > > with Rycote basket and fluffy for a silly price brrr! Secondly, I als=
o
> > > still have my HD-P2. This is pure luck, because I bought it in a bit
> of a
> > > state, with repair work needing doing, and because it looks a bit
> rough I
> > > didn't bother to sell it, even though it now works perfectly. A month
> or
> > > two back a brand new sealed case for it came up on eBay at a silly
> price,
> > > so I bought it, and at least it looks better now! The only other mic
> I'm
> > > likely to buy sometime is the AT BP 4025, which Jan brought to my
> attention
> > > with one of his marvelous recordings. I still have a couple of ME66's
> with
> > > K6's, but one of them is faulty; must sort that out! Lots of things t=
o
> keep
> > > me happy for a while anyway.
> > > I went out yesterday to see if I could find some Crossbills to record=
;
> I
> > > found them, but had equipment problems. I'd taken the Nakamichi
> collection
> > > with me and had the long shotgun on it. It soon became clear I there
> was a
> > > problem which made all three mics useless! The birds were there with =
a
> nice
> > > flock of Siskins, but the means to record them wasn't!! On inspection
> this
> > > morning, it turns out that the problem was with the lead which came
> with
> > > the mics. Clearly at some time the previous owner had replaced the
> lead and
> > > for some reason hadn't connected the ground in the XLR! When I'd
> previously
> > > tested it, it must by chance have been just touching?! For some stupi=
d
> > > reason; I'm guessing old age, it didn't occur to me to use the intern=
al
> > > mics! Such is life
> > > Cheers
> > > Max
> > >
> > > --- In Keith Smith <kahsmith@>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Heh, It's probably my bad Karma, Max.
> > > >
> > > > I did notice the 25 DB?, so I haven't been in a hurry ;)
> > > > When I bought the Sony mic it was a few years before I became at al=
l
> > > > serious about recording. It was an improvement over something even
> > > cheaper.
> > > > I was making casual recordings of gigs I played, so much of the
> > > self-noise
> > > > would have been masked by cymbals and the background noise of the
> crowd.
> > > >
> > > > As I think back, I have to admit I'm a wimp. Although my first
> recordings
> > > > go back to a Webcor wire recorder, it wasn't until half decent audi=
o
> > > > interfaces for computers became affordable that I could get results
> that
> > > I
> > > > could stand, and thereafter develop more than a cursory interest in
> > > > recording.
> > > >
> > > > Some of the most useful material I've seen on comparing mic specs
> came on
> > > > links I found in this group. It was a great help to get a feel for
> how
> > > the
> > > > relationship between sensitivity and self-noise affect noise
> performance
> > > of
> > > > a mic/pre combination.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.avisoft.com/tutorial_mic_recorder.htm (Raimund is a majo=
r
> > > > contributor here.)
> > > > http://www.rane.com/note148.html
> > > >
> > > > I also find this site very useful:
> > > > http://www.microphone-data.com/
> > > > You need to set up an account (free), but I haven't received any
> new, or
> > > > more spam than usual after signing up.
> > > >
> > > > Take a look at the sensitivity vs self-noise of some of the >$2K
> > > > Sennheiser's that get mentioned on this list. Then take a Valium &
> lay
> > > down
> > > > for a while.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > A little OT:
> > > > One source of inexpensive and quiet mics that seldom gets mentioned
> here
> > > is
> > > > CAD. I have 3 M-179's and a Pair of e300=B2's. One caveat with thes=
e is
> > > that
> > > > they're pretty greedy on phantom power, drawing around 8ma/ea, whic=
h
> will
> > > > probably exceed what your portable recorder will supply. They are
> > > > multi-pattern though (179's are inf variable), and great for MS
> > > recording.
> > > > I got some decent MS stuff with a pair of 179's on my Tascam HDP2,
> > > before I
> > > > realized I might be toasting the phantom supply. Now I'm a bit timi=
d
> > > about
> > > > trying it again.
> > > >
> > > > Rode is in the same league for noise, and probably less greedy but =
on
> > > some
> > > > models they seem a little queasy about actually stating current dra=
w
> > > (just
> > > > listing as P48).
> > > >
> > > > I think my next move is to get some Primo EM172's (lots of stuff
> here on
> > > > these) and warm up the soldering iron.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Keith
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Max <maxcatterwell@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I've emailed you privately Keith
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In "Max" <maxcatterwell@>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Very strange!!! I added my reply to Keith on the end of my
> previous
> > > > > post, but once again it wouldn't send. So I deleted it, and off i=
t
> > > went????
> > > > > I'll try adding it here, but I'm not hopeful.
> > > > > > No, it won't go!?
> > > > > > I'll try posting under a new title
> > > > > > Max
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In "Max" <maxcatterwell@>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi David,
> > > > > > > I'm having great difficulty posting this evening; I've been
> trying
> > > to
> > > > > reply to Keith for hours without success. I'll post my reply to
> him on
> > > the
> > > > > end of this, just in case.
> > > > > > > OK, I appreciate your reply and the extra input you've given.
> One
> > > > > thing I'm assuming about this mic, is that the decoding is done
> > > internally.
> > > > > At this point in time my technical knowledge is limited, but as
> > > there's no
> > > > > mention of having to decode, I'm guessing it won't need to be
> done. In
> > > a
> > > > > way I hope it DOES have to be done, because it would be something
> to
> > > learn
> > > > > and play with in Audition! But as I've said already, I'm not real=
ly
> > > > > expecting much for such a dirt cheap mic, but it was the m/s spec
> that
> > > > > rather intrigued me. Time will tell.
> > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > Max
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In "Avocet" <brini@>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What do YOU make of the specs? It's so cheap that I'm
> tempted
> > > to
> > > > > buy
> > > > > > > > > one whatever, to try with my LS-10.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Max,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It is likely to be value for money, take that as you will.
> :-)
> > > As a
> > > > > > > > kickabout mic or for putting on idents, fine, but don't
> expect
> > > much
> > > > > > > > with those specs.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The stated noise level is high, whatever weighting is used
> but I
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > > have thought that they would have stated A-weighting if tha=
t
> is
> > > what
> > > > > > > > they mean. Witn no info, I'd expect a "best case" test. The=
y
> are
> > > > > > > > unlikely to publish a "worst case" test.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The output worries me at 5.6mV/Pa which is low for any mic.
> With
> > > > > quiet
> > > > > > > > sounds like nature recording, the input noise of any
> affordable
> > > > > > > > recorder will probably be audible, even over the 25dB mic
> spec.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As a music mic, the max SPL of 110 dB rules it out for clos=
e
> > > miking
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > instruments or even voices. It may be bad for handling nois=
e
> and
> > > > > prone
> > > > > > > > to wind as well due to the fig-8 reponse.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You can't easily separate out the M cardioid capsule so you
> will
> > > > > > > > always have an all-round pickup from the fig-8.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > David
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > David Brinicombe
> > > > > > > > North Devon, UK
> > > > > > > > Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum - Ambrose Bierce
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Keith Smith
> > > >
> > > > Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai -
> www.keithsmith.ca
> > > > Photography - www.mymountains.ca
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Keith Smith
> >
> > Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai - www.keithsmith.ca
> > Photography - www.mymountains.ca
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
--
Keith Smith
Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai - www.keithsmith.ca
Photography - www.mymountains.ca
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