Hi Keith!
OK, the good news; I just love your brilliant piccie - devastatingly good! =
The bad news; the sound link doesn't work. I was so looking forward to list=
ening to that, particularly as you went to all that trouble.
So, you've got an uncle in Norwich? I live about 70 miles from there; it's =
a beautiful city. Are you an ex pat, or is it one of those complicated stor=
ies? If so, you don't have to tell it!
Hope you can sort the link
Cheers
Max
--- In Keith Smith <> wrote:
>
> HI Max,
> I've never sold anything good without regretting it later (usually within=
a
> week!). A couple of those guitars would buy me a lovely mic closet today.
>
> I took the Sony ECM MS907 out this morning. Terrible day for air traffic.=
I
> was on the edge of the city. Things are pretty slow for wildlife sounds
> around here at this time of year (and at my skill level), so it won't sou=
nd
> like my uncle's English country garden in Norwich!
>
> It's pretty hissy, but not the most objectionable hiss I've ever heard. T=
he
> MS907 is plugged into a Marantz PMD 661 with the gain set to 8. I haven't
> applied any EQ, or postGain; just chopped and x-faded. At 2:12 I replay t=
he
> last few seconds with some gentle denoising (Voxengo Redunoise --signatur=
e
> acquired from the under-the-bedclothes test) with 2db of makeup gain.
> Temperature is about 4=B0C, gently breezy and you'll hear some snow falli=
ng
> off trees in the sun. The creek will perhaps give a better idea of the
> imaging at 120=B0, which hasn't been altered. I'm guessing this would be
> similar to the HD-P2 at about 7-7.5, as the Marantz pre's seem to offer a
> little more, and quieter gain.
>
> http://www.samplesmith.com/NatRec/121114-GriffithWoods_SonyECM-MS907_661_=
InGain8.wav
>
> I also met a new
> friend<http://www.samplesmith.com/NatRec/2012_11_14_IMG_0066-1-1.JPG>who
> made my day -love these image-stabilizing tele's!
> k
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Max <> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Hi Keith!
> > Let's hope I have better luck with THIS reply!
> > Firstly, in reference to the CAD 179, I do have one of those, and bough=
t
> > it with the intention of making up an M/S rig, but never did get around=
to
> > it. The original idea was to use it with my MKH60 which I sold complete
> > with Rycote basket and fluffy for a silly price brrr! Secondly, I also
> > still have my HD-P2. This is pure luck, because I bought it in a bit of=
a
> > state, with repair work needing doing, and because it looks a bit rough=
I
> > didn't bother to sell it, even though it now works perfectly. A month o=
r
> > two back a brand new sealed case for it came up on eBay at a silly pric=
e,
> > so I bought it, and at least it looks better now! The only other mic I'=
m
> > likely to buy sometime is the AT BP 4025, which Jan brought to my atten=
tion
> > with one of his marvelous recordings. I still have a couple of ME66's w=
ith
> > K6's, but one of them is faulty; must sort that out! Lots of things to =
keep
> > me happy for a while anyway.
> > I went out yesterday to see if I could find some Crossbills to record; =
I
> > found them, but had equipment problems. I'd taken the Nakamichi collect=
ion
> > with me and had the long shotgun on it. It soon became clear I there wa=
s a
> > problem which made all three mics useless! The birds were there with a =
nice
> > flock of Siskins, but the means to record them wasn't!! On inspection t=
his
> > morning, it turns out that the problem was with the lead which came wit=
h
> > the mics. Clearly at some time the previous owner had replaced the lead=
and
> > for some reason hadn't connected the ground in the XLR! When I'd previo=
usly
> > tested it, it must by chance have been just touching?! For some stupid
> > reason; I'm guessing old age, it didn't occur to me to use the internal
> > mics! Such is life
> > Cheers
> > Max
> >
> > --- In Keith Smith <kahsmith@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Heh, It's probably my bad Karma, Max.
> > >
> > > I did notice the 25 DB?, so I haven't been in a hurry ;)
> > > When I bought the Sony mic it was a few years before I became at all
> > > serious about recording. It was an improvement over something even
> > cheaper.
> > > I was making casual recordings of gigs I played, so much of the
> > self-noise
> > > would have been masked by cymbals and the background noise of the cro=
wd.
> > >
> > > As I think back, I have to admit I'm a wimp. Although my first record=
ings
> > > go back to a Webcor wire recorder, it wasn't until half decent audio
> > > interfaces for computers became affordable that I could get results t=
hat
> > I
> > > could stand, and thereafter develop more than a cursory interest in
> > > recording.
> > >
> > > Some of the most useful material I've seen on comparing mic specs cam=
e on
> > > links I found in this group. It was a great help to get a feel for ho=
w
> > the
> > > relationship between sensitivity and self-noise affect noise performa=
nce
> > of
> > > a mic/pre combination.
> > >
> > > http://www.avisoft.com/tutorial_mic_recorder.htm (Raimund is a major
> > > contributor here.)
> > > http://www.rane.com/note148.html
> > >
> > > I also find this site very useful:
> > > http://www.microphone-data.com/
> > > You need to set up an account (free), but I haven't received any new,=
or
> > > more spam than usual after signing up.
> > >
> > > Take a look at the sensitivity vs self-noise of some of the >$2K
> > > Sennheiser's that get mentioned on this list. Then take a Valium & la=
y
> > down
> > > for a while.
> > >
> > >
> > > A little OT:
> > > One source of inexpensive and quiet mics that seldom gets mentioned h=
ere
> > is
> > > CAD. I have 3 M-179's and a Pair of e300=B2's. One caveat with these =
is
> > that
> > > they're pretty greedy on phantom power, drawing around 8ma/ea, which =
will
> > > probably exceed what your portable recorder will supply. They are
> > > multi-pattern though (179's are inf variable), and great for MS
> > recording.
> > > I got some decent MS stuff with a pair of 179's on my Tascam HDP2,
> > before I
> > > realized I might be toasting the phantom supply. Now I'm a bit timid
> > about
> > > trying it again.
> > >
> > > Rode is in the same league for noise, and probably less greedy but on
> > some
> > > models they seem a little queasy about actually stating current draw
> > (just
> > > listing as P48).
> > >
> > > I think my next move is to get some Primo EM172's (lots of stuff here=
on
> > > these) and warm up the soldering iron.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Keith
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Max <maxcatterwell@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I've emailed you privately Keith
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In "Max" <maxcatterwell@> wro=
te:
> > > > >
> > > > > Very strange!!! I added my reply to Keith on the end of my previo=
us
> > > > post, but once again it wouldn't send. So I deleted it, and off it
> > went????
> > > > I'll try adding it here, but I'm not hopeful.
> > > > > No, it won't go!?
> > > > > I'll try posting under a new title
> > > > > Max
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In "Max" <maxcatterwell@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi David,
> > > > > > I'm having great difficulty posting this evening; I've been try=
ing
> > to
> > > > reply to Keith for hours without success. I'll post my reply to him=
on
> > the
> > > > end of this, just in case.
> > > > > > OK, I appreciate your reply and the extra input you've given. O=
ne
> > > > thing I'm assuming about this mic, is that the decoding is done
> > internally.
> > > > At this point in time my technical knowledge is limited, but as
> > there's no
> > > > mention of having to decode, I'm guessing it won't need to be done.=
In
> > a
> > > > way I hope it DOES have to be done, because it would be something t=
o
> > learn
> > > > and play with in Audition! But as I've said already, I'm not really
> > > > expecting much for such a dirt cheap mic, but it was the m/s spec t=
hat
> > > > rather intrigued me. Time will tell.
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > Max
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In "Avocet" <brini@> wrot=
e:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What do YOU make of the specs? It's so cheap that I'm tempt=
ed
> > to
> > > > buy
> > > > > > > > one whatever, to try with my LS-10.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Max,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is likely to be value for money, take that as you will. :-=
)
> > As a
> > > > > > > kickabout mic or for putting on idents, fine, but don't expec=
t
> > much
> > > > > > > with those specs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The stated noise level is high, whatever weighting is used bu=
t I
> > > > would
> > > > > > > have thought that they would have stated A-weighting if that =
is
> > what
> > > > > > > they mean. Witn no info, I'd expect a "best case" test. They =
are
> > > > > > > unlikely to publish a "worst case" test.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The output worries me at 5.6mV/Pa which is low for any mic. W=
ith
> > > > quiet
> > > > > > > sounds like nature recording, the input noise of any affordab=
le
> > > > > > > recorder will probably be audible, even over the 25dB mic spe=
c.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As a music mic, the max SPL of 110 dB rules it out for close
> > miking
> > > > of
> > > > > > > instruments or even voices. It may be bad for handling noise =
and
> > > > prone
> > > > > > > to wind as well due to the fig-8 reponse.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't easily separate out the M cardioid capsule so you w=
ill
> > > > > > > always have an all-round pickup from the fig-8.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > David
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > David Brinicombe
> > > > > > > North Devon, UK
> > > > > > > Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum - Ambrose Bierce
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Keith Smith
> > >
> > > Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai - www.keithsmith.=
ca
> > > Photography - www.mymountains.ca
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Keith Smith
>
> Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai - www.keithsmith.ca
> Photography - www.mymountains.ca
>
>
>
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