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Re: Mic for Nightingale Walk was Wind in the Willow(s) - MX391......

Subject: Re: Mic for Nightingale Walk was Wind in the Willow(s) - MX391......
From: "vickipowys" vpowys
Date: Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:07 pm ((PDT))
>  However the the Roland in-ear mics set me googling.  I see it is
> possible to monitor through them while recording.  It seems a
> possibility.  Is there much of a feedback problem?

Tom,

I've tried the Roland in-ear mics and compared them with head-worn
Telinga clip-ons (the latter are attached to a de-constructed set of
lightweight headphones, easy to slip on and off).  You can record
with the Rolands while monitoring the sound but it is probably better
not to.  In comparing the two rigs I found that I got a better
binaural image with the Rolands (because the mic capsules are worn
inside the ear I guess), but that the Telingas had less noise and
were more comfortable to wear.

I also did not like using the Rolands while walking around because it
was disorienting not being able to hear what was actually happening.  =

Nor did I have any windshielding for them.  With the Telingas I could
wear them on my head and just push the mics forwards a bit away from
my ears when not recording, then back over my ears to record.  With
the Rolands I guess I could just carry them in my pocket and use when
something started calling.  I must do a bit more work with them.  The
other thing about head-worn mics is that they will pick up even the
sound of you breathing, but they are great for a super-light go-
anywhere rig.

Good luck with your nightingales!

cheers,

Vicki


On 18/04/2012, at 10:32 PM, tk7859 wrote:

>
>
> Hi Mike
>
> Thanks for your comments - thought provoking as usual.
>
> I don't think I have the DIY skills to even think about tackling
> modifications to my NT4.  However the the Roland in-ear mics set me
> googling.  I see it is possible to monitor through them while
> recording.  It seems a possibility.  Is there much of a feedback
> problem?
>
> Another item I read suggested they were hissy.  Given the price of
> them (nice to see UK price has not been inflated too much cf USA)
> maybe they use Panasonic WM61As.
>
> Thinking about this I remembered a pair of spectacle mounted WM61As
> I made 4/5 years ago.  I unearthed them and recorded while
> listening through headphones.  No feedback noticeable.  A photo is
> shown here
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/G0SBW.PM/MicForNightingaleWalk
>
> Given the nature of the walk with 20 people listening for the birds
> (I've been told there could be up to 40 males looking for mates;
> each with its own territory) I think there will be a lot of
> walking. A head worn, binaural mic + earphones seems a good way to go.
>
> I've started making a stereo pair of EM172s which can be spectacle
> worn or used in a boundary rig.  Not sure about the headband wind
> preventer shown in the photo - maybe a woollen beanie will be
> better.  Eight days to the walk so I should have made an informed
> choice of gear by them
>
> Cheers TomR
>
>
>
> --- In  "Mike Rooke" <> wrote:
>>
>> MX391 in a blimp or the NT4. I modified my NT4 fitting NT45-O
>> capsules to it and removing the fixed capsule angle. A pair of
>> ears fit the capsules and the whole lot slides into a blimp -end
>> result pseudo binaural rig with improved SNR due to the ears,
>> keeping the battery option or phantom power. :)
>>
>> Tree binuaral with the Shure mics would also sound good.
>>
>> I recently traveled to Whitesands bay / Wales with rather too much
>> gear, ended up using Roland in-ear binaural mics + Neumann WSB100
>> wind screen for many of the recordings and the MX391O blimp rig
>> for the rest / waves / rock pools etc.
>>
>> I guess the bottom line is to use something you know works or is
>> proven from prior field recording trips. Wind noise protection and
>> adequate sensitivity with low enough noise for the area.
>>
>> -Mike.
>>
>
>
>







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