naturerecordists
[Top] [All Lists]

Re: [Nature Recordists] Sony PCM-M10 vs Zoom H4n best for outdoors / cap

To: <mailto:naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] Sony PCM-M10 vs Zoom H4n best for outdoors / capturing frogs in the jungle?
From: <mailto:naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>

Thanks for your reply. Nice recording, but that certainly is a lot of hiss! :(
One comment was "much of the noise sounds to me like wind in the treetops, 
rather than recorder noise". Were you using the Rode Dead Kitten for this one?

I definitely would like to record in quiet and potentially somewhat windy 
places...

--- In 
<naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com><naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>,
 Peter Shute <> wrote:
>
> I use the pre-record buffer on my PCM-M10 a lot. It saves having to listen to 
> lots of unwanted material later. There are other ways, like pressing the 
> track mark button, or even writing down the time, but I'm too disorganised 
> and impatient.
>
> I recently used its internal mics in a quiet environment for the first time 
> recently, and was a little shocked at how much self noise I can hear on the 
> recordings. For an example, listen to:
> http://soundcloud.com/petershute/111229-03brandyck
>
> This is what prompted my recent thread about external microphones. I'm going 
> to start one soon about noise removal techniques to try to improve that 
> recording and some others like it.
>
> If the Zoom is even noiser, then I'm glad I didn't get one. But I think it 
> can record 4 tracks? If so then that would be nice.
>
> If you won't be recording in a very quiet environment then it shouldn't be a 
> problem. I made another recording nearby to that place a couple of days later 
> when it was warmer, and the background of buzzing flies obscured the 
> microphone hiss.
>
> Disclaimer: I'm very new to all this, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
>
> Peter Shute
>
> ________________________________
> From: 
> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com><naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
>  
> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com><naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>]
>  On Behalf Of Rich DDT 
> Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2012 3:15 PM
> To: 
> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com><naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Nature Recordists] Sony PCM-M10 vs Zoom H4n best for outdoors / 
> capturing frogs in the jungle?
>
>
>
> I'm new to nature recording but plan to use sounds from the outdoors to use 
> in music productions. I want a great quality setup but looking to spend less 
> than $300-350, at least for now. An external mic may very well be in my 
> future, but for now I want to start simple using the onboard mic.
>
> I've read reviews here: 
> http://www.theatreofnoise.com/2009/11/summary-of-portable-digital-audio.html
> including the followup articles, as well as several other posts on this forum.
>
> At first the Zoom H4n seemed like the most versatile choice, having XLR / 
> 1/4" inputs seemed great for being able to directly capture musicians too 
> (another desired usage). However the reviews preferred the low noise of the 
> Sony PCM-M10, esp for capturing quieter outdoor sounds and ambiance. The 
> Olympus LS-11 seemed tempting too, but the more I think about it, the more I 
> think I'd use the pre-record buffer for capturing a definitive croak (or 
> tweet or howl).
>
> Using onboard mics, am I right to choose the M10? Will I really notice a big 
> sound quality loss with the Zoom H4n?
>
> Assuming the M10 is still the best choice, can anyone recommend these 
> windscreens over the expensive $50 Sony model ADPCM2?
> http://store.micover.com/micover-slipover-mini-for-sony-pcm-m10-on-board.html
> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/470272-REG/Rode_DEAD_KITTEN_Dead_Kitten_WindMuff_for.html
>
> Thanks for any assistance! I really appreciate the dedication to quality I've 
> seen in this forum. :)
>
> Cheers,
> Rich
>
















"While a picture is worth a thousand words, a 
sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krause.



------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturerecordists/

<*> Your email settings:
    Digest Email  | Traditional

<*> To change settings online go to:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturerecordists/join
    (Yahoo! ID required)

<*> To change settings via email:
     
    

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
    

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
    http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 
------------------------------------------------------------------------

<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>
Admin

The University of NSW School of Computer and Engineering takes no responsibility for the contents of this archive. It is purely a compilation of material sent by many people to the naturerecordists mailing list. It has not been checked for accuracy nor its content verified in any way. If you wish to get material removed from the archive or have other queries about the archive e-mail Andrew Taylor at this address: andrewt@cse.unsw.EDU.AU