Hi Greg.
Could you please elaborate a bit on:
"I generally use an outboard pair of ECM-172/173
mics that I can wear on my hat, attach to a foam sphere, etc. The stereo
image
is then much improved. The next step is to build a lightweight boundary
array
using said mic capsules and run that into the mic input of the M10."
I do not understand about that " lightweight boundary array using said mic
capsules."=A0 Is that boundary array attached to the PCM-M10 itself ?=A0 Or=
is
it a boundary setup on the outboard pair of ECM-172/173 mics that you wear
on your hat?=A0 If this is related to the setup on your head could you
describe that a bit?
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Gregory O'Drobinak <
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi!
>
> I would recommend one of the Sony units, since their mic preamps have the
> lowest
> self-noise of the lot.
> I have been using the PCM-M10 and I am very happy with it, quite low nois=
e
> (~17
> dBA) from the built-in mics and superb battery life. The downside in any
> handheld recorder is that the built-in mics are fairly close together, so
> the
> sense of 'space' is compromised. I generally use an outboard pair of
> ECM-172/173
> mics that I can wear on my hat, attach to a foam sphere, etc. The stereo
> image
> is then much improved. The next step is to build a lightweight boundary
> array
> using said mic capsules and run that into the mic input of the M10. The D=
50
> has
> slightly better mic preamps, but the built-in mics are not as low noise a=
s
> those
> in the M10.
>
> I am curious as to why you would even consider using an Edirol recorder
> (unless
> maybe if it is an R4-Pro; then you don't need an external mic pre) with t=
he
>
> SD302. The Edirol's mic preamps are definitely noisier than that of the M=
10
> and
> the SD302 preamps are noisier than that of the Tascam DR-680. I would thi=
nk
> that
> the SD302 would not be nice for long recordings using the internal AA
> cells,
> either, especially with phantom turned on. That means an external battery
> pack.
> Now you have 3 things to juggle.
>
> I would definitely recommend the Tascam DR-680 for >=3D 4 channel recordi=
ng.
> The
> mic preamps are within 3 dB of an SD-722 and everything is in one case. 4
> mic
> preamps with phantom power on XLRs, two additional channels with phantom
> power
> on TRS connectors and two more inputs that can be fed from a SPDIF stream
> [I
> just did an 8 channel location recording using an external mic pre with
> SPDIF
> output for channels 7 & 8]. I have one and I love it! More mic gain than =
on
> an
> SD-722 as well, if you need it. The carrying case that is made for it is
> quite
> rugged, too. It can be powered for longer recording times with a simple
> cable
> attached to a 12v gel cell.
>
> Here is a link for the mic preamp noise specs for a variety of
> recorders: http://www.avisoft.com/tutorial_field_recording.htm
> The Zoom is not on this list but it is on another one that I don't have
> handy
> right now. My recollection is that it is even more noisy than the R-09HR.
> Pick
> the recorder with the best preamp EIN specs for doing any type of nature
> recording.
>
> My experience says that you can't go wrong with either the Sony PCM-M10 o=
r
> the
> Tascam DR-680.
>
> Take care,
>
> Greg
>
> ________________________________
> From: Brian Dasilva <>
> To:
> Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 4:35:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] Re: Upgrade from Fostex FR2LE
>
>
> Sony M-110 30 hr on two AAs
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