Rob & Martyn,
Can we have a link direct to the new FAQ pages where the small PIP
microphones are discussed in more detail? Could this link be shown
at the bottom of all emails, automatically, in the same way that the
quotation from Bernie is always shown?
thanks,
Vicki
On 18/07/2010, at 6:58 AM, digidandy wrote:
> Vicky,
>
> I am not familiar with the new Telinga clip on mics you mention,
> and I'm not sure I can find anything about them on the Telinga web
> site.
>
> Could you be more specific?
>
> =C3=98.
>
> --- In vickipowys
> <> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Christian,
>>
>> That is a very lovely recording, very realistic!
>>
>> If you are interested to go a step further with quality then I would
>> add that I have heard wonderful soundscapes with no noticeable hiss
>> from a friend who uses a Sony recorder (model before yours) plus two
>> Telinga EM23 mics. I am sure the new Telinga clip on mics would be
>> as good or better. I understand Mike Rooke also makes (or assembles)
>> PIP mics of a similar quality.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Vicki Powys
>> Australia
>>
>>
>>
>> On 02/06/2010, at 9:16 PM, redteamwins wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everybody!
>>>
>>> I just wanted to update you all. I went ahead and bought a Sony
>>> PCM-M10 - it's beautiful, graceful, and just generally wonderful.
>>>
>>> Rob, after your nudging, I followed your advice and did the right
>>> thing and soldered up a pair of WM-61A's that I bought from Digi-
>>> Key (I've got 8 more that I've got to figure out what to do
>>> with :). Thank you for those instructions! I got an old pair of
>>> Sony walkman headphones (right angle plug!), desoldered the little
>>> baby speakers, and soldered the ends of the wires to the microphone
>>> capsules. I shrink-wrapped each capsule, put a non-shrink wrapped
>>> sleeve on the end so that it will all mount on my eyeglasses, and
>>> put some foam at the end with a rubber band for crude wind
>>> protection. Building mics like this is probably routine to you
>>> badasses but I felt pretty proud of myself when it was all done.
>>>
>>> I made a recording this past weekend on a beach near Rosarito,
>>> Mexico covered in small rounded stones. During high tide, the
>>> waves crash on the stones - as the water recedes the stones roll
>>> and collide and make a wonderful sound. I was sitting on the rocks
>>> higher up on the shore and the water was about two feet away from
>>> my feet when big waves came.
>>>
>>> My friend took a photo of these stones years ago:
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidg/30181933/
>>>
>>> I have posted a recording of these waves here:
>>> http://soundcloud.com/redteam/mexico-rocky-waves-96-24
>>> (file currently uploading - it should be up about 35min after this
>>> message is posted)
>>>
>>> The microphones sounded pretty good until my ears tuned in to the
>>> hiss. This was rather soul-crushing as it's something that's hard
>>> to un-hear. Also, many of the sounds have a rather hollow quality -
>>> as if the mics were mounted at the bottom of two plastic cups.
>>> There were actually mounted with only foam windscreens at the front
>>> of my eyeglasses. Regardless, this recording is the achievement of
>>> a dream I've had for at least 8 years and you all helped me get
>>> there. Thank you all.
>>>
>>> Now I'm considering buying the Telinga Clip-Ons for my trip to
>>> Europe that begins in a couple of weeks. I haven't really been
>>> able to get much information about them from Telinga. I think
>>> they're actually too big to be discreet with in public, but some of
>>> you say such nice things about Telinga that I'm willing to give
>>> them a shot despite their size - I really need higher quality
>>> mics. Anyone have pictures of these microphones? Any specs?
>>>
>>> Thanks again, folks!
>>>
>>> -Christian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In Rob Danielson <type@>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Christian--
>>>>
>>>> This is how I see it: You're spending thousands on a once in a
>>>> lifetime trip. You are excited about recordings acoustic nuances of
>>>> settings that range from loud to very quiet. The recorder and mics
>>>> are $200 under your budget,.. The ~$300 Telinga mics will be a
>>>> great,
>>>> safe investment that will not lose value and I know you'll be glad
>>>> you made the investment many years from now. Solder-up a pair of
>>>> the
>>>> WM-61A's for $30 http://tinyurl.com/2fr2p6r or pay $80 for them
>>>> this
>>>> week and hear what you think.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry about throwing the numbers at you. Here's a description about
>>>> mic self-noise:
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2ws926p
>>>>
>>>> 32dB(A) Noisiest mics
>>>> 22 dB(A) Average
>>>> 16 dB(A) almost quiet enough for quiet location
>>>> <10 dB(A) lowest self-noise you can get, best.
>>>> To convert signal to noise, subtract the S-N number from 94.
>>>> e.g. the
>>>> MM-HLSO specs,"Signal to noise ratio: 65dB, 1khz at 1pa" so,
>>>> 95-65 =3D
>>>> 30 dB(A) self-noise.
>>>>
>>>> There's no point in spending a penny more on these smaller mic
>>>> options unless you can see they'll give you an improvement in noise
>>>> performance. Here's a list of the basic retail repackaging options
>>>> for the smaller mics except for Klas' "Clip Ons" which use Primo
>>>> EM-172's which are new and not on the list. You can contact Klas at
>>>> <telinga@>.
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ykdesaj
>>>>
>>>> Soldering steps:
>>>> https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/www/116/Trek01/BuildingMics/
>>>> WM-61A_BrookBuildsMics/WM-61A_BrookBuildsMics.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 9:52 AM +0000 5/17/10, redteamwins wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> should I get one of those little 9v battery supplies for whatever
>>>>> microphone I buy?
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>>> I'm concerned about a car or bus completely overwhelming my
>>>>> microphones in somewhat loud street environments. From what I've
>>>>> learned, that situation is helped by some kind of "pad" or
>>>>> attenuator cable and/or a battery supply giving more power to the
>>>>> microphones to avoid clipping. Am I going in the right direction
>>>>> here?
>>>>
>>>> Not a worry. Turn the gain down, go to low sensitivity setting if
>>>> need be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> At the same time, I wonder if there is some nice place in between
>>>>> the Sound Professionals' ~US$80 offering and Telinga's ~US$750+
>>>>> offering! Does anyone have anything favorable to say about Core
>>>>> Audio's ~US$250 offering? How about products from Microphone
>>>>> Madness?:
>>>>> <http://microphonemadness.com/products/mmhlsomsenmi.htm>http://
>>>>> microphonemadness.com/products/mmhlsomsenmi.htm
>>>>> I haven't read any real reviews of their products.
>>>>
>>>>> I have heard nothing but good stuff about Sonic Studios' products
>>>>> but jeeeeeeeez ... I can't afford those either.
>>>>
>>>> See the doc above. I'd consider these instead for 1/3 cost and same
>>>> noise performance.
>>>> https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/www/audio-reports/Shure-WL183s/
>>>> index.htm
>>>>
>>>> But 14 dB(A) performance from the Clip-ons at ~$120 more makes
>>>> better sense to me. Rob D.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So here's my point - maybe Sound Professionals' US$80 products are
>>>>> good, but if I can get anything substantially better for ~US250
>>>>> I'll
>>>>> totally do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> And again - folks - thank you for sharing your advice and
>>>>> expertise.
>>>>> I'm sure newbies post in here for this kind of advice all the time
>>>>> and yet you have been so patient with me. I can't wait to make
>>>>> some
>>>>> recordings for you all to listen to.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Christian
>>>>>
>>>>> p.s. Can anyone point me to a good primer on learning what you
>>>>> guys
>>>>> are talking about in terms of dB's? I'm trying to learn how to
>>>>> distinguish between microphones and I can't decipher all the
>>>>> values.
>>>>> I think I have a pretty good idea about what a noise floor is and
>>>>> what self-noise is ... but after that I don't really know what to
>>>>> look for.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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