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Re: how to submit 12 hours of 4-channel material

Subject: Re: how to submit 12 hours of 4-channel material
From: "Rob Danielson" danielson_audio
Date: Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:03 am ((PST))
At 9:13 AM -0800 1/15/09, Dan Dugan wrote:
...
>I promised the management a copy of the raw material, and my question
>to the group is how to accomplish that without days of bouncing files.
>I usually submit audio CDs of my raw footage to the hosting park and
>to the California Library of Natural Sounds. In this case, making
>separate front and rear CDs, we're talking 24 CDs! I could just give
>the managers the files on 6 data DVDs, if they could play the 4-
>channel (poly) WAV files.

Since they can play and access them most easily through a computer,
I'd simply burn the entire files to an DVD-R _in data format (UDF)_
with the front files in one folder (or one one disc) and the rear
files in another folder. These disks will hold 3.5 hours of quad
16/48K. I'd interleave all so they'll play in stereo in iTunes, Media
Player etc. DVD-R discs will mount and play audio in almost any
computer made in the  last 4 years. Personally, I wouldn't give data
to any "office" in electronic- erasable form if I having them survive
was one goal.

>
>I tried dropping one on Windows Media Player 9, but it wouldn't take
>it. Will poly files play on a PC? Perhaps I could give them a copy of
>a free DAW software.


As per poly-- here's the easiest way I know of to "sync" them all up
with no outputting of new files. Its uses QuickTime reference movies.

(1) Place the two, same length, stereo pairs for each time block in
an folder on your drive.
(2) Open the Front pair in QT Pro. Select All of this material
(3) Open-up the Rear pair and Select All of this material too. Press
Apple-> C (copy the "in" and "out" markers, its instantaneous).
(4) Click on (select) the Front Pair QT Player window.  Edit Menu->
Add Selection and Scale. The Rear Pair have been added as a reference
"movie" to the front pair.
(5) You can add the Center and LFE as another pair if you wish in the
same manner.
(6) To save these "grouped files, use SAVE-AS to save the appended
Front pair AS A REFERENCE Movie (option) placing the .mov doc in the
same folder with all of the files you are linking (best in the same
directory). Do not save this file as "self contained movie" unless
you want to create a huge, unnecessary file. Note that the original,
front pair is completely untouched if you select the reference movie
option.

As long as this QT reference movie remains placed along side of the
media it references, you can import-drop the reference file into
Logic or FCP just like normal media and all of the sound files will
show-up.  Similarly, one can play them (all) from the DVD-R disc with
QT Pro if they have a 4+ ch card and QT's output routed thru it. With
no special card, one will just hear the front pair.

There is a way to do it with Windows but then the Mac folks can't
play it. QT is cross-platform.

I'm sure you can see that not having to output another, large poly
file is a huge advantage. The Front, Rear and Center/LFE stereo files
on the DVD-R can be played separately as well-- no extra copies
required. They don't have to have QT Pro to play them, the regular QT
player does it.


>
>-Dan Dugan
>
>*Well, my 744T crashed when the Pro Digital gel cell battery got too
>low--again failing to switch over to a fully-charged Li-ion battery on
>the back and failing to shit down properly. Also, to minimize my
>losses when that expected event happened, I had set the maximum file
>size to 650 MB. Inexplicably, the 744 made 1.67 GB files instead.
>Afterwards when I checked the menu item I found it set to "2G CF," and
>I have no idea how that happened.

Wow,.. so sorry to hear the miseries/mysteries persist. Has anyone
got respect from SD about this yet? Seems like it could be a hardware
change or they would have addressed it don't you think?

How about not stopping for days as a solution?  This can be done by
installing a 160 GB 2.5" internal drive & using a small tractor
battery. Rich Peet and I are working on 722/744 set-up that will
record to an external, 460 GB FireWire drive. Power from large,
sealed, battery with solar charging. Not cheap but at .flac rate, the
number or days one can run without stopping is impressive. We both
have older 7XX hardware though.  Rob D.

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