Hi Vicki!
From now on Limiter is off!
I have also always used MANUAL. I will do some experiments later, taking
a more note of recording level values. It's likely I was expecting too
high a level to register from what you say. I am somewhat encouraged by
the detailed recording level information you have just given.
Following my post to you yesterday, I did a search on the net, and
immediately found a manufacturer of metal mesh. So it's out there, but a
question of finding it in small quantities.
Speak later
Max
Vicki Powys wrote:
> Hi Max, Kevin, Rob et al,
>
> Max - You need the limiter OFF!!!! And you need recording level set
> at MANUAL (not auto).
>
> If you have a good blimp for the ME67 try recording with low cut off, =
> for a wider range of sounds.
>
> When I used the built in mics on the LS-10, the lyrebird at 10 metres =
> was registering -6 dB with rec level on 5. By comparison a small
> bird like a pardalote, singing overhead, will register maybe -18 dB,
> with rec level on 5, and that is a quite acceptable.
>
> Perhaps the metal-mesh flyscreen gauze is peculiar to Australia? (It =
> keeps out the blowies and mozzies!)
>
> Good luck with those migrating birds Max. Do tell us how you go.
>
> I love Kevin's suggestions about using the gorillapod (which was also =
> mentioned by Oryoki). And what an ideal and fun way to get beginners =
> interested in sound recording.
>
> Rob, it took a little while to grasp what you had done with your
> audio assessment (I am not particularly technically minded), but I
> see you raised the level of the NOISE so that all samples matched, so =
> that you could compare the colour of the noise. To my ears it was 1. =
> whooshy, 2. fizzy and 3. fizzy & whooshy. So the LS-10 pre amps have =
> added some fizz to the ME67 recordings, compared to the DAT. The
> LS-10 does seem to add fizz no matter what mics are used, and that
> fizz is uncomfortable to my ears, but I could easily reduce the fizz
> using some slight EQ roll off above say 7 kHz (in Freqency 2 plug in
> for Peak audio editor). I tried a fizz filter in Soundsoap (light
> edition), it worked but the martian landscape element persisted and I =
> find simple EQ is safer. (The whoosh was not as worrisome to me as
> the fizz.)
>
> Re filtering, someone has mentioned Waves Q10 for EQ filtering. I
> used to have Q10 and it was great. Then I upgraded my Mac to OSX,
> which meant I needed a newer version of Q10 (and paid for this
> online), but the installation process was so horrendously complicated =
> that I gave up. I was told that I did not need an iLok, but it now
> seems that I do. Maybe I will pluck up the courage to try the
> installation again one day, after I have figured out what an iLok is.
>
> Vicki Powys
> Australia
>
>
> On 29/06/2008, at 9:19 AM, Max Catterwell wrote:
>
>
>> Hi Vicki!
>> I've been doing a little bit of experimenting, and a couple of points
>> have come up. Firstly, what I've discovered is that I get a higher
>> level
>> reading with the Low cut off (makes sense I suppose, but due to wind
>> considerations I'd always had it on). Next thing was a question; do
>> you
>> have the Limiter on? I had, until I noticed that recovery times
>> were not
>> as good as I thought i.e. after a sudden peak it took a second or
>> two to
>> recover to previous recording level, which leaves odd sort of holes in
>> the recording. I am going to start using it without I think.
>> One of the problems in this country (UK) is that it isn't often you
>> can
>> get a day WITHOUT wind!! This is why I've just bought one of those
>> Indian blimps to house the ME66/K6 combo (which has just arrived).
>> I have found that this combo is much more sensitive, and as expected,
>> allows me to use recording levels in the mid-range. Whether or not
>> I'll
>> be able to achieve level 2, as you did with your 67 is too early to
>> tell. I will report later on my use of this combo with the Indian
>> blimp.
>> I am extremely impressed with your wind cover! All I have to do now is
>> discover a source for flyscreen gauze. It does appear that you're a
>> dab
>> hand with a needle!
>> I'm awaiting a couple of other purchases at the moment, these being an
>> Art Phantom II, and a pair of AT3032's. This will give me a huge
>> amount
>> to experiment with over the coming winter, and hopefully by next
>> Spring
>> I'll be ready for everything happening!
>> One intermediate project I have in mind, involves the huge numbers of
>> migrating birds that pass through the north coast of Norfolk in
>> Autumn,
>> not too far from my home.
>> But I digress; very many thanks for your input to date, and in the
>> future
>> Regards
>> Max
>>
>>
>> Vicki Powys wrote:
>>
>>> Max and all,
>>>
>>> Max, try putting your LS-10 on recording level 5 (REC LEVEL knob on
>>> right hand side). Make sure the high sensitivity switch is on. Then
>>> try to get as close as possible to the singing bird (or frog or
>>> whatever), and preferably when it is not windy. On level 5 (with the
>>> built-in mics), you should get a useable signal. If you don't, you
>>> are not close enough to the bird. When you download the sound to
>>> your computer and listen through good headphones, you will get a true
>>> idea of what you have recorded. The LS-10 headphone outlet (VOLUME
>>> knob on left hand side) is fairly weak so don't rely on this for
>>> judging your recording quality.
>>>
>>> Yesterday I soldered up a pair of WL183s and tried these with the
>>> Olympus LS-10, but not yet in the field. The 183s give less noise
>>> than the built in mics, and may be better when used with the LS-10
>>> low cut switched ON. More on this when I have tested them in the
>>> field.
>>>
>>> The photo of my home-made windscreen for the built-in mics is now
>>> uploaded to the naturerecordists web page, look under the heading
>>> PHOTOS.
>>>
>>> Vicki Powys
>>> Australia
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27/06/2008, at 6:13 PM, Max Catterwell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Vicki and Syd,
>>>> Vicki, it sounds as though your thinking on the shield is similar to
>>>> mine; air gap plus cover over foams. I look forward very much to
>>>> seeing
>>>> your photo.
>>>> You have me slightly worried now about my recording levels, even
>>>> bearing
>>>> in mind Syd's comments in the previous post, and I'm trying to
>>>> think of
>>>> a way we could compare without doing side by side recording, and
>>>> all my
>>>> thoughts seem to involve equipment I don't have. I have to say that
>>>> this
>>>> has been my only disappointment with the machine, that the gain
>>>> seems
>>>> insufficient. I'm wondering if I've got a faulty instrument. I
>>>> should
>>>> perhaps say that this state of affairs was present in advance of
>>>> installing new firmware. I was hoping that it might make a
>>>> difference,
>>>> but at least it allows me to use an 8gig SDHC card with no problems.
>>>> Having said that, FYI with this card inserted, it now takes several
>>>> seconds longer before reaching recording condition. This doesn't
>>>> worry
>>>> me too much because I now record continuously while out walking,
>>>> and it
>>>> only applies to initial turn on anyway. The 8gig card gives me more
>>>> than
>>>> enough recording time for the small walks I do these days.
>>>> Yes, my recorder was also made in China; isn't everything these
>>>> days?
>>>> Back to the birds; it was interesting to read your background
>>>> info on
>>>> these, and what a shame it will be if helicopters start buzzing
>>>> overhead! This is of course why, recordings such as yours will
>>>> become
>>>> more and more valuable.
>>>> Thanks again
>>>> Max
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vicki Powys wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Max, and everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> I will post a photo on the naturerecordists web page, of my home-
>>>>> made
>>>>> wind cover for the LS-10. It works OK in a light breeze, and
>>>>> has an
>>>>> air gap between the fleece and the mics. I have left the foam
>>>>> windshields on also.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mt. Airly where I recorded the lyrebirds certainly is a lovely
>>>>> place,
>>>>> but it does have its share of motor bike riders on weekends, plus
>>>>> helicopter joy flights may soon take place overhead. Added to
>>>>> that,
>>>>> the lyrebirds have been very quiet for the past 5 years or so,
>>>>> due to
>>>>> prolonged drought conditions. It has been wonderful to see and
>>>>> hear
>>>>> them again this winter, following some recent wet weather
>>>>> (lyrebirds
>>>>> like it damp and cold!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Max, your ME66 should be a big improvement on the built in mics,
>>>>> for
>>>>> picking up individual birds. However I am surprised that you need
>>>>> the recording volume at 10 for the built in mics, as I have been
>>>>> able
>>>>> to record smaller birds using a setting of 5. I have not yet
>>>>> experimented with higher resolution than 44/16, nor have I upgraded
>>>>> the software. I might add that the recorder sold to me in
>>>>> Australia
>>>>> was made in China! Are the US and UK recorders made in China or
>>>>> Japan?
>>>>>
>>>>> Vicki Powys
>>>>> Australia
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26/06/2008, at 10:09 PM, Max Catterwell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Vicki!
>>>>>> What an incredible sounding bird! I've never heard one of these
>>>>>> before
>>>>>> (they don't often turn up on the Cambridgeshire fens) and I was
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> stunned. How wonderful to have such a quiet place to record;
>>>>>> dreamlike.
>>>>>> I have never been able to have my LS-10 on any other level than
>>>>>> 10, so
>>>>>> to see you using 5 amazed me. And even on level 10 the meter was
>>>>>> never
>>>>>> topping out. So far, apart from using the built in mics, I've been
>>>>>> using
>>>>>> a MKE300. I'm awaiting a ME66/K6 combination to use with this,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> be very interested to see if it makes the difference in recording
>>>>>> level
>>>>>> that you achieved with the 67. Have you updated your firmware
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> latest from Japan? I should add that I too use high sensitivity
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> low
>>>>>> cut filter on. I have started to use 48/24 as I read, that as in
>>>>>> photograpy, a greater bit depth sampling rate was better from an
>>>>>> editing
>>>>>> point of view. If you weren't aware, it should be obvious I'm just
>>>>>> starting out on this fascinating road. Having heard your
>>>>>> recordings
>>>>>> though, I feel I made the right decision re recorder. I would be
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> interested to see, or have you describe, the 'better windshield'
>>>>>> you made.
>>>>>> Many thanks for sharing your fantastic recordings, not only
>>>>>> wonderful to
>>>>>> hear, but instructive also.
>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vicki Powys wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have uploaded three mp3 files (all less than 1 MB) to the
>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>> files area. The subject is a Superb Lyrebird recorded in the
>>>>>>> forest
>>>>>>> at Mt. Airly in NSW. In each recording I was about 10-15 metres
>>>>>>> away, with little or no breeze. No filtering has been used, so
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> you can compare the raw result for three different recording
>>>>>>> combinations. With the LS-10, I recorded as WAV 44/16, and high
>>>>>>> sensitivity mode.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. LS-10, built in mics, low cut on, recording volume 5
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. LS-10, Sennheiser ME67 mic, low cut on, recording volume 2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. Sony TCD D10 DAT with Sennheiser ME67 mic, recording volume
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> 2-3.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is more system noise in (1) but the sound quality is still
>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>> good. I had the low cut switched on because of occasional
>>>>>>> breeze.
>>>>>>> The addition of the ME67 to the LS-10 in (2) was an
>>>>>>> improvement and
>>>>>>> there was less system noise, altho the quality of the sound would
>>>>>>> have been less thin with the low cut switched off. The DAT
>>>>>>> recording
>>>>>>> (3) has less system noise and the best sound quality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I might add that using the LS-10 with built in mics was a
>>>>>>> dream for
>>>>>>> stalking the elusive and shy lyrebirds! I could carry it in my
>>>>>>> pocket and had no tangle of leads and mics and monopods. The
>>>>>>> results
>>>>>>> are very acceptable for scientific study. I have had to make a
>>>>>>> better windshield for the inbuilt mics, but otherwise I am very
>>>>>>> pleased with the LS-10.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Has anyone tried the LS-10 with lavalier mics e.g. WL183s?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vicki Powys
>>>>>>> Australia
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
>>>>>>> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
>>>>>>> Krause
>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
>>>>>> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
>>>>>> Krause
>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
>>>>> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
>>>>> Krause
>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
>>>> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
>>>> Krause
>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
>>> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
>>> Krause
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
>> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
>> Krause
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
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