Hi Vicki!
I've been doing a little bit of experimenting, and a couple of points
have come up. Firstly, what I've discovered is that I get a higher level
reading with the Low cut off (makes sense I suppose, but due to wind
considerations I'd always had it on). Next thing was a question; do you
have the Limiter on? I had, until I noticed that recovery times were not
as good as I thought i.e. after a sudden peak it took a second or two to
recover to previous recording level, which leaves odd sort of holes in
the recording. I am going to start using it without I think.
One of the problems in this country (UK) is that it isn't often you can
get a day WITHOUT wind!! This is why I've just bought one of those
Indian blimps to house the ME66/K6 combo (which has just arrived).
I have found that this combo is much more sensitive, and as expected,
allows me to use recording levels in the mid-range. Whether or not I'll
be able to achieve level 2, as you did with your 67 is too early to
tell. I will report later on my use of this combo with the Indian blimp.
I am extremely impressed with your wind cover! All I have to do now is
discover a source for flyscreen gauze. It does appear that you're a dab
hand with a needle!
I'm awaiting a couple of other purchases at the moment, these being an
Art Phantom II, and a pair of AT3032's. This will give me a huge amount
to experiment with over the coming winter, and hopefully by next Spring
I'll be ready for everything happening!
One intermediate project I have in mind, involves the huge numbers of
migrating birds that pass through the north coast of Norfolk in Autumn,
not too far from my home.
But I digress; very many thanks for your input to date, and in the future
Regards
Max
Vicki Powys wrote:
> Max and all,
>
> Max, try putting your LS-10 on recording level 5 (REC LEVEL knob on
> right hand side). Make sure the high sensitivity switch is on. Then =
> try to get as close as possible to the singing bird (or frog or
> whatever), and preferably when it is not windy. On level 5 (with the =
> built-in mics), you should get a useable signal. If you don't, you
> are not close enough to the bird. When you download the sound to
> your computer and listen through good headphones, you will get a true =
> idea of what you have recorded. The LS-10 headphone outlet (VOLUME
> knob on left hand side) is fairly weak so don't rely on this for
> judging your recording quality.
>
> Yesterday I soldered up a pair of WL183s and tried these with the
> Olympus LS-10, but not yet in the field. The 183s give less noise
> than the built in mics, and may be better when used with the LS-10
> low cut switched ON. More on this when I have tested them in the field.
>
> The photo of my home-made windscreen for the built-in mics is now
> uploaded to the naturerecordists web page, look under the heading
> PHOTOS.
>
> Vicki Powys
> Australia
>
>
> On 27/06/2008, at 6:13 PM, Max Catterwell wrote:
>
>
>> Hi Vicki and Syd,
>> Vicki, it sounds as though your thinking on the shield is similar to
>> mine; air gap plus cover over foams. I look forward very much to
>> seeing
>> your photo.
>> You have me slightly worried now about my recording levels, even
>> bearing
>> in mind Syd's comments in the previous post, and I'm trying to
>> think of
>> a way we could compare without doing side by side recording, and
>> all my
>> thoughts seem to involve equipment I don't have. I have to say that
>> this
>> has been my only disappointment with the machine, that the gain seems
>> insufficient. I'm wondering if I've got a faulty instrument. I should
>> perhaps say that this state of affairs was present in advance of
>> installing new firmware. I was hoping that it might make a difference,
>> but at least it allows me to use an 8gig SDHC card with no problems.
>> Having said that, FYI with this card inserted, it now takes several
>> seconds longer before reaching recording condition. This doesn't worry
>> me too much because I now record continuously while out walking,
>> and it
>> only applies to initial turn on anyway. The 8gig card gives me more
>> than
>> enough recording time for the small walks I do these days.
>> Yes, my recorder was also made in China; isn't everything these days?
>> Back to the birds; it was interesting to read your background info on
>> these, and what a shame it will be if helicopters start buzzing
>> overhead! This is of course why, recordings such as yours will become
>> more and more valuable.
>> Thanks again
>> Max
>>
>>
>> Vicki Powys wrote:
>>
>>> Max, and everyone,
>>>
>>> I will post a photo on the naturerecordists web page, of my home-made
>>> wind cover for the LS-10. It works OK in a light breeze, and has an
>>> air gap between the fleece and the mics. I have left the foam
>>> windshields on also.
>>>
>>> Mt. Airly where I recorded the lyrebirds certainly is a lovely place,
>>> but it does have its share of motor bike riders on weekends, plus
>>> helicopter joy flights may soon take place overhead. Added to that,
>>> the lyrebirds have been very quiet for the past 5 years or so, due to
>>> prolonged drought conditions. It has been wonderful to see and hear
>>> them again this winter, following some recent wet weather (lyrebirds
>>> like it damp and cold!)
>>>
>>> Max, your ME66 should be a big improvement on the built in mics, for
>>> picking up individual birds. However I am surprised that you need
>>> the recording volume at 10 for the built in mics, as I have been able
>>> to record smaller birds using a setting of 5. I have not yet
>>> experimented with higher resolution than 44/16, nor have I upgraded
>>> the software. I might add that the recorder sold to me in Australia
>>> was made in China! Are the US and UK recorders made in China or
>>> Japan?
>>>
>>> Vicki Powys
>>> Australia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26/06/2008, at 10:09 PM, Max Catterwell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Vicki!
>>>> What an incredible sounding bird! I've never heard one of these
>>>> before
>>>> (they don't often turn up on the Cambridgeshire fens) and I was just
>>>> stunned. How wonderful to have such a quiet place to record;
>>>> dreamlike.
>>>> I have never been able to have my LS-10 on any other level than
>>>> 10, so
>>>> to see you using 5 amazed me. And even on level 10 the meter was
>>>> never
>>>> topping out. So far, apart from using the built in mics, I've been
>>>> using
>>>> a MKE300. I'm awaiting a ME66/K6 combination to use with this, and
>>>> will
>>>> be very interested to see if it makes the difference in recording
>>>> level
>>>> that you achieved with the 67. Have you updated your firmware
>>>> with the
>>>> latest from Japan? I should add that I too use high sensitivity and
>>>> low
>>>> cut filter on. I have started to use 48/24 as I read, that as in
>>>> photograpy, a greater bit depth sampling rate was better from an
>>>> editing
>>>> point of view. If you weren't aware, it should be obvious I'm just
>>>> starting out on this fascinating road. Having heard your recordings
>>>> though, I feel I made the right decision re recorder. I would be
>>>> very
>>>> interested to see, or have you describe, the 'better windshield'
>>>> you made.
>>>> Many thanks for sharing your fantastic recordings, not only
>>>> wonderful to
>>>> hear, but instructive also.
>>>> Max
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vicki Powys wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have uploaded three mp3 files (all less than 1 MB) to the members
>>>>> files area. The subject is a Superb Lyrebird recorded in the
>>>>> forest
>>>>> at Mt. Airly in NSW. In each recording I was about 10-15 metres
>>>>> away, with little or no breeze. No filtering has been used, so
>>>>> that
>>>>> you can compare the raw result for three different recording
>>>>> combinations. With the LS-10, I recorded as WAV 44/16, and high
>>>>> sensitivity mode.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. LS-10, built in mics, low cut on, recording volume 5
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. LS-10, Sennheiser ME67 mic, low cut on, recording volume 2
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Sony TCD D10 DAT with Sennheiser ME67 mic, recording volume
>>>>> about
>>>>> 2-3.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is more system noise in (1) but the sound quality is still
>>>>> very
>>>>> good. I had the low cut switched on because of occasional breeze.
>>>>> The addition of the ME67 to the LS-10 in (2) was an improvement and
>>>>> there was less system noise, altho the quality of the sound would
>>>>> have been less thin with the low cut switched off. The DAT
>>>>> recording
>>>>> (3) has less system noise and the best sound quality.
>>>>>
>>>>> I might add that using the LS-10 with built in mics was a dream for
>>>>> stalking the elusive and shy lyrebirds! I could carry it in my
>>>>> pocket and had no tangle of leads and mics and monopods. The
>>>>> results
>>>>> are very acceptable for scientific study. I have had to make a
>>>>> better windshield for the inbuilt mics, but otherwise I am very
>>>>> pleased with the LS-10.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone tried the LS-10 with lavalier mics e.g. WL183s?
>>>>>
>>>>> Vicki Powys
>>>>> Australia
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
>>>>> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
>>>>> Krause
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
>>>> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
>>>> Krause
>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
>>> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
>>> Krause
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>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
>> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
>> Krause
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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