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5. Re: OLYMPUS LS-10 VS DAT RECORDINGS UPLOADED

Subject: 5. Re: OLYMPUS LS-10 VS DAT RECORDINGS UPLOADED
From: "Max Catterwell" oatcruncher
Date: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:13 am ((PDT))
Hi Vicki and Syd,
Vicki, it sounds as though your thinking on the shield is similar to
mine; air gap plus cover over foams. I look forward very much to seeing
your photo.
You have me slightly worried now about my recording levels, even bearing
in mind Syd's comments in the previous post, and I'm trying to think of
a way we could compare without doing side by side recording, and all my
thoughts seem to involve equipment I don't have. I have to say that this
has been my only disappointment with the machine, that the gain seems
insufficient. I'm wondering if I've got a faulty instrument. I should
perhaps say that this state of affairs was present in advance of
installing new firmware. I was hoping that it might make a difference,
but at least it allows me to use an 8gig SDHC card with no problems.
Having said that, FYI with this card inserted, it now takes several
seconds longer before reaching recording condition. This doesn't worry
me too much because I now record continuously while out walking, and it
only applies to initial turn on anyway. The 8gig card gives me more than
enough recording time for the small walks I do these days.
Yes, my recorder was also made in China; isn't everything these days?
Back to the birds; it was interesting to read your background info on
these, and what a shame it will be if helicopters start buzzing
overhead! This is of course why, recordings such as yours will become
more and more valuable.
Thanks again
Max


Vicki Powys wrote:
> Max, and everyone,
>
> I will post a photo on the naturerecordists web page, of my home-made =

> wind cover for the LS-10.  It works OK in a light breeze, and has an
> air gap between the fleece and the mics.  I have left the foam
> windshields on also.
>
> Mt. Airly where I recorded the lyrebirds certainly is a lovely place, =

> but it does have its share of motor bike riders on weekends, plus
> helicopter joy flights may soon take place overhead.  Added to that,
> the lyrebirds have been very quiet for the past 5 years or so, due to =

> prolonged drought conditions.  It has been wonderful to see and hear
> them again this winter, following some recent wet weather (lyrebirds
> like it damp and cold!)
>
> Max, your ME66 should be a big improvement on the built in mics, for
> picking up individual birds.  However I am surprised that you need
> the recording volume at 10 for the built in mics, as I have been able =

> to record smaller birds using a setting of 5.  I have not yet
> experimented with higher resolution than 44/16, nor have I upgraded
> the software.  I might add that the recorder sold to me in Australia
> was made in China!  Are the US and UK recorders made in China or Japan?
>
> Vicki Powys
> Australia
>
>
>
>
> On 26/06/2008, at 10:09 PM, Max Catterwell wrote:
>
>
>> Hi Vicki!
>> What an incredible sounding bird! I've never heard one of these before
>> (they don't often turn up on the Cambridgeshire fens) and I was just
>> stunned. How wonderful to have such a quiet place to record;
>> dreamlike.
>> I have never been able to have my LS-10 on any other level than 10, so
>> to see you using 5 amazed me. And even on level 10 the meter was never
>> topping out. So far, apart from using the built in mics, I've been
>> using
>> a MKE300.  I'm awaiting a ME66/K6 combination to use with this, and
>> will
>> be very interested to see if it makes the difference in recording
>> level
>> that you achieved with the 67. Have you updated your firmware with the
>> latest from Japan? I should add that I too use high sensitivity and
>> low
>> cut filter on. I have started to use 48/24 as I read, that as in
>> photograpy, a greater bit depth sampling rate was better from an
>> editing
>> point of view. If you weren't aware, it should be obvious I'm just
>> starting out on this fascinating road. Having heard your recordings
>> though, I feel I made the right decision re recorder. I would be very
>> interested to see, or have you describe, the 'better windshield'
>> you made.
>> Many thanks for sharing your fantastic recordings, not only
>> wonderful to
>> hear, but instructive also.
>> Max
>>
>>
>>
>> Vicki Powys wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have uploaded three mp3 files (all less than 1 MB) to the members
>>> files area.  The subject is a Superb Lyrebird recorded in the forest
>>> at Mt. Airly in NSW.  In each recording I was about 10-15 metres
>>> away, with little or no breeze.  No filtering has been used, so that
>>> you can compare the raw result for three different recording
>>> combinations.  With the LS-10, I recorded as WAV 44/16, and high
>>> sensitivity mode.
>>>
>>> 1. LS-10, built in mics, low cut on, recording volume 5
>>>
>>> 2. LS-10, Sennheiser ME67 mic, low cut on, recording volume 2
>>>
>>> 3. Sony TCD D10 DAT with Sennheiser ME67 mic, recording volume about
>>> 2-3.
>>>
>>> There is more system noise in (1) but the sound quality is still very
>>> good.  I had the low cut switched on because of occasional breeze.
>>> The addition of the ME67 to the LS-10 in (2) was an improvement and
>>> there was less system noise, altho the quality of the sound would
>>> have been less thin with the low cut switched off.  The DAT recording
>>> (3) has less system noise and the best sound quality.
>>>
>>> I might add that using the LS-10 with built in mics was a dream for
>>> stalking the elusive and shy lyrebirds!  I could carry it in my
>>> pocket and had no tangle of leads and mics and monopods.  The results
>>> are very acceptable for scientific study.  I have had to make a
>>> better windshield for the inbuilt mics, but otherwise I am very
>>> pleased with the LS-10.
>>>
>>> Has anyone tried the LS-10 with lavalier mics e.g. WL183s?
>>>
>>> Vicki Powys
>>> Australia
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
>>> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
>>> Krause
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
>> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
>> Krause
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krause
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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