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Subject: 1. Re: Telinga Stereo-DAT compared with Twin Science?
From: "Antonio Celis" tony_celis
Date: Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:34 am ((PDT))
Hi Klas,

Thanks for your response, it was very informative. I'm just asking because =
I
want to understand about my mics and learn how to use them.

I like your mics. They are great in the field for both individual-species a=
nd
ambience recordings.

Thanks again

Tony Celis





--- Klas Strandberg <> escribi=F3:

> At 16:46 2007-04-12, you wrote:
> >Hi Klas,
> >
> >Need some help...a few questions...
> >
> >--- Klas Strandberg <> escribi=F3:
> >
> > > But people don't bother to do this experimenting and learning.
> > > Instead, they learn all about 0,0001 % difference in ways to compress
> > > or not compress... or something....
> > > (Sorry, I couldn't resist... )
> > >
> > > >How does the Stereo-DAT compare with the Twin Science after a
> > > >conversion to mono?
> > >
> > > Never connect two stereo channels with one-another!
> > > Use one of them.
> > >
> > > When you wrote that one channel was distorted and the other not, I
> > > was sure that you had used a Twin Science! That kind of result would
> > > have been typical.
> > > But if you use the Stereo DATmic, how could it become that way?
> > > Were the input level settings different?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >On Stereo DAT mic; if its on the "bottom" of the dish. It is possible th=
at
> you
> >get distortion in just one channel, if the signals are coming from
> >the opposite
> >extreme side?
>
> I guess "everything" is possible, but I have never experienced that
> phenomena, not that I know of. You say "extreme" - I don't really
> know what that would be?
>
> Using parabols, I suffer from two phenomena, 1/ one is that some bird
> sounds always sound distorted and 2/ phaseshift.
> Nightingales, for example, have some sounds which always sound "hard"
> and "unpleasant" to my ear, but I am not sure if this is an effect of
> some unpredictable mess of parabol-distortions, or not.  I don't
> think it is, because you can hear the same "unpleasing" sounds also
> with open mikes, if they are close enough. I have "perfect"
> open-mikes recordings of nightingales, still you feel the need of
> some kind of compression!
>
> Blackbirds sound very pleasant and nice when you hear them around
> here. But it is hard to record them that way. Using a parabol, there
> is a "harshness" added.
> So last year I had a Blackbird sitting on a pole every morning around
> four. And I put the most linear and "true-to-life" microphone that I
> know of, the MPS1, on a rod, only two meters away from the blackbird.
> I expected the most "state-of-the-Art" recording.
> But he sounds like he has a really sore throat.
> It is no distortion, I am sure of that. He sounds that way, when you
> are close. Only ten meters away, you don't her it that way.
>
> Every "on-location" sound recordist know that you sometimes get phase
> problems. When applause, for example, sound like "in a tube".
> That has happened to me a few times using a parabol and Stereo
> Datmic, when there has been a road nearby and "all over" sounds from
> the tires of the cars. These tires sound like "in a tube".
>
> The parabolic comb effect at high frequencies are always there, but
> usually it doen't cause big problems.
>
> There is a picture at telinga.com explaining the theory on the Stereo
> DATmic. A recording, too.
>
> Was that an answer to your question??
>
> Klas.
>
>
>
> >If pointing to the bird you get a mono signal, In the background, do you=
 get
> >some signals inverted 9lets say the one on the extreme right or left)? S=
ome
> >sort of XY on the background and mono signal on the front?
> >
> >If the mic is out of the "bottom" of the dish (tip of the mic out of the
> dish,
> >out as much as you can). Stereo signals on the sides should not come
> inverted?
> >
> >Can you explain us more about Stereo mics?
> >
> >Tony Celis
> >
> >
> >
> >Antonio Celis-Murillo
> >
> >__________________________________________________
> >Correo Yahoo!
> >Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam =A1gratis!
> >Reg=EDstrate ya - http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/
> >
> >
> >"Microphones are not ears,
> >Loudspeakers are not birds,
> >A listening room is not nature."
> >Klas Strandberg
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
> S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
> Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
> email: 
> website: www.telinga.com
>
>
>
>


Antonio Celis-Murillo

Correo Yahoo!
Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam =A1gratis!
Reg=EDstrate ya - http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/




"Microphones are not ears,
Loudspeakers are not birds,
A listening room is not nature."
Klas Strandberg

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