This is an example of what is going on here.
This is a comment just recently and there are many of these believe me, of
why potential subscribers want to join the recordist group.
They all want to use playback in the field, now, is this responsible or not?
How do you tell thousands of people to use playback responsibly in the
field?
Habitat is becoming increasingly diminished and the birds are decreasing in
numbers. There are more gadgets out there than sense, GPS units to locate
what a "life lister" has seen so they can post in on a list serve to tell
others to go out and harass, ATV's to get to the locations, the planet is
becoming smaller, we are becoming larger than life.
I will voice out until the cows come home that this is wrong.....
>>>Comment from user:
I'm interested in learning about which brands of audio equipment are best
for playback and recording of bird songs/calls.
This membership request requires your approval because the naturerecordists
group is restricted, which means you must approve each new member.<<<<
Martyn
****************************************
Martyn Stewart
Bird and Animal Sounds Digitally Recorded at:
http://www.naturesound.org
Redmond. Washington. USA
N47.65543 W121.98428
e-mail:
Tel: 425-898-0462
Make every Garden a wildlife Habitat!
*****************************************
-----Original Message-----
From:
On Behalf Of Martyn Stewart
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 8:53 AM
To:
Subject: RE: [Nature Recordists] Playback and Ethics
What bothers me here is why should people expect to see the bird/birds on
these trips? This is exactly what I am saying, Tour operators use play back
to justify their trips and guarantee to the client they will see x amount of
birds etc.
I have seen many of these operators in action and many of them ask me for
recordings for which I refuse.
Bird watchers demands are high and they expect to see what the tour operator
advertises. I saw a Black-backed woodpecker only this year abandon its nest
leaving fledglings behind because of this very intrusion.
As a society many people disrespect nature and do not see the consequences
and the dangers.
Yes, there are some people responsible with the use of playback but I can
only speak from experience, I see more bad than good.
Martyn
****************************************
Martyn Stewart
Bird and Animal Sounds Digitally Recorded at:
http://www.naturesound.org
Redmond. Washington. USA
N47.65543 W121.98428
e-mail:
Tel: 425-898-0462
Make every Garden a wildlife Habitat!
*****************************************
-----Original Message-----
From:
On Behalf Of Paul Coopmans
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:00 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] Playback and Ethics
Scott is absolutely right. Note that in the endeavor of getting closer to
the sound source one could not only disturb a nesting bird or trample its
nest (if we're dealing with a ground nester) but also we can have an impact
on the vegetation by leaving a trail. In the Neotropics I'd rather call in
a bird to be viewed from the trail (of course using the playback
judiciously) instead of having the entire group crash into the forest to
approach a calling bird, risking saplings of giant emergent trees to be
trampled, or even bird nests ...
At 10:31 27-10-05 -0400, you wrote:
>
>I guess we need to bring up this subject every now and then just to get
>everyone stirred up and feeling alive. One of the problems is here is
>that the aims of many mambers of this group are different. There is
>very little need to use playback for North American species as we have
>excellent sound catalogues available to us here and identification
>should not be difficult for anyone willing to go to the trouble. It is
>true that many tour leaders doing trips in NA use it so that their
>clients may get a look at species that they may not normally see. Many
>of these folks are older and would not have a chance to view these
>things on their own. I personally know many of these leaders and they
>are experts in the use of sound for playback, but there will always be a
>few that make a mess and leave a bad taste in our mouths.
>
>Occasionally you may get an aberrant or alternate call to something
>here, and it is certainly of more value to know what you have. Anyone
>doing soundscapes will not have the same need as as a survey birder to
>know what sound he has captured. Overseas, things are different. We do
>not have good sound catalogues of most tropical countries, and this
>includes Peru and Ecuador where certain individuals have published
>extensive works. One of the reasons is that bird song is more highly
>evolved in the tropics (as is avian diversity in general), and many
>birds have 4,5 or more calls in their repertoire. It is difficult to
>research many. I know Paul Cooppmans and I have swapped recordings on
>occasion just so we could put more ears to a sound. Birds, such as
>Northern and Southern Chestnut-tailed Antbird, only came to notice
>through their differing calls.
>
>However, the main point I wish to make about ethics is that one needs to
>look at the big picture. One of the most common pieces of advice given
>on this list for improved recording quality is to get as close to the
>bird as possible. Normally, when a bird is singing, it is for
>territorial reasons. How many recordists here knew where a bird's nest
>was when they were recording? Precious few, based on my knowledge of how
>difficult it is to find nests and what the aims of many of our group
>members would be. Birds abandon nests simply because of human proximity,
>a fact well documented as opposed to our knowledge of problems
>associated with playback. Certainly playback can be done irresponsibly,
>but that is why many of us have taken the time to publish guidelines so
>that it can be done with a certain level of responsibility. All of us
>who interact with birds have an impact. All of us who might own stocks
>of companies that increase deforestation have an impact. Everyone who
>buys products that promote deforestation have an impact. Ethics are
>nice, but they need to be viewed in a broad perspective and promoted
>with a sense of realism that is useful to recipients of such knowledge.
>No one is right or wrong here. This is why this discussion is useful.
>Everyone's input helps develop the concepts necessary to reponsible
>birding, responsible recording, and, most importantly, responsible field
>ethics for all of us.
>
>Scott Connop
>
>
>
>
>"Microphones are not ears,
>Loudspeakers are not birds,
>A listening room is not nature."
>Klas Strandberg
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>"Un servicio de Megadatos - Ecuanet, en telecomunicaciones nosotros lo
hacemos posible"
>Escaneado por IMSS Trend Micro Enterprise Protection Strategy
>
>
"Microphones are not ears,
Loudspeakers are not birds,
A listening room is not nature."
Klas Strandberg
Yahoo! Groups Links
"Microphones are not ears,
Loudspeakers are not birds,
A listening room is not nature."
Klas Strandberg
Yahoo! Groups Links
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
|