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Subject: HiMD Mic preamp noise test
From: Rob Danielson <>
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 15:51:02 -0500
At 12:22 PM +0200 4/21/05, Klas Strandberg wrote:
>  >Since the 957 already terminated in an 1/8th mini jack, and uses
>>plug-in power? Or maybe it's battery operated? I'm not sure how much
>>you'd gain by adding a preamp. I think we're mainly referring to
>>phantom powered mics using external preamps. That being said, I know
>>often the minidisc mic input isn't the cleanest, and if you can go in
>>line level, you'll bypass some of the noise.
>
>
>I clam that that statement is common but wrong.
>Give me some proof!
>
>Klas.
>

m("sbcglobal.net/vwp2?.tok","//f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/rob_danielson");=bcmKTRVBNxZgHObW&.dir=/Tests&.dnm=CompareMiniDiscMicPreNoise.mov&.src=bc">http:=bcmKTRVBNxZgHObW&.dir=/Tests&.dnm=CompareMiniDiscMicPreNoise.mov&.src=bc

Right-click on the paper-looking document and select, "Download 
linked files as,.." option.

I've uploaded the above 2.3 mb QuickTime movie that compares the 
resultant noise from Rode Nt3 and Nt4 mics using a HiMD mic input 
jack and the same mics routed through a Sound Devces MP-2 outboard 
preamplifier into the HiMD's line input. The recordings were made at 
16/44.1; the QuickTime movie has an IMA:4 compressed sound track so 
that more people can download it. Again, these tests are for quiet 
location recording situations where high gain is more likely to be 
used.  The files are well saturated and loud, be sure to adjust 
playback volume to a comfortable level

To my ears, the NT3 presents a fairly close match between internal 
and external preamp noise which suggests to me that an "effective 
self-noise" rating for the NH-900 HiMD recorder's mic pre _with this 
particular mic_ is in the ballpark of 16 dBA. [The self noise 
equivalent for the MP-2 (with some conservative assumption involved) 
is in the area of 5dBA, so its very unlikely to be adding noise.]

I say only for "this particular mic"  because, as we found before, 
sensitivity (output) and other factors come into play. You will note 
that I had to boost the playback level of the NT4's recording 14dB to 
match the playback level of the NT3's recording.  Even though both 
mics have very close self noise specs (16dBA for the NT4 and 17dBA 
for the NT3), the noise component in the NT-4's recording is also 
increased 14dB to match playback leve with the NT3's.  The addition 
of noise from the HiMD mic pre can be confirmed by looking at the NT4 
signal routed through the MP2 where we hear less noise than that from 
the recording where the NT4 is connected to the HiMD recorder's mic 
pre.

The NT3's recording (apparently taking advantage of effective higher 
output) exhibits about the same noise as the recording made when the 
NT3 routed through the MP2. This suggests to me that a HiMD mic 
preamp is more likely to introduce significant noise when the record 
level is high and the mic does not have high output. This is 
consistent with our theory of why  the Shure 183 performed well with 
22.5dBA noise in the prior test with its high sensitivity of 42 mv/Pa.

So, there is no simple way to put MD mic preamp noise into a general 
"effective self noise" number because performance is the result of 
speciifc mic-preamp combinations.  If you need further proof of this 
phenomenon, according to Rode, the NT3 and the NT4 have equal 
sensitivity (12 mv/Pa).  Their output impedance is also matched at 
200 ohms.

I tested the mics from the first test again and I feel the results of 
the first test are very reliable. That's is available  as a small 
.mov now:

http://www.micbooster.com/movies/TransMic&PreTestSor3_IMA.mov

People commented on the appreciable leap in quality that happened 
with the NT1A/Mp2 in the first test so I'm testing some higher end 
mic-pre combos. Rob D.






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