At 10:06 AM -0500 3/27/04, Lang Elliott wrote:
>Hey Group:
snip...
> to have a robust metadata field that
>survives editing, so that the source of an edited and shortened recording
>could always be simply ascertained.
>
>Do any of you have experience with these kinds of questions? Is there a
>solution for the Mac platform? If so, I would like to correspond
>individually.
>
>Lang
One can use the application, Resedit
http://www.resexcellence.com/support_files/resedit.shtml to add any
text you want to a sound designer II format's resource file (similar
to the waves format I assume). Regions and markers reside within
the OMF standard items that pro editing apps can access. They would
show up as additional index markers or regions in Peak, Logic,
ProTools, Final Cut Pro to name just a few. As to data surviving
editing,.. simply "saving as" any other format besides SDII strips
off the resource fork data. Can folks be kept folks from doing that?
For folks who want the data preserved, the issue of audio application
compatibility may not be as critical as the ability of a search
engine like Sherlock to access it-- one being able to search for the
info among all the data on one's computer is ultimately what's
needed. What search engine(s) (mac and pc) can read SDII resource
fork data? I'll try to look into this a bit. Rob D.
--
Rob Danielson
Film Department
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
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>From Tue Mar 8 18:26:31 2005
Message: 5
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 22:55:54 -0000
From: "Rich Peet" <>
Subject: Re: Files posted to group web site
Yes Audition has a few nice things on how metadata is setup.
But, it still does not support BWF Boadcast Wave.
What I want is to not only be able to complete the limited fields of
RIFF but I want to be able to type paragraphs, custom design fields,
and attach a photograph of the site within. Now that would give me a
good historical record.
Rich
--- In Lang Elliott <>
wrote:
> OK, yes, let's discuss this on the e-mail group.
>
> I will be heading out shortly, but I'll have more to say about
mTools as a
> database management system for Mac. And soon I'll receive a trial
copy of
> Soundminer and let everyone know what I think.
>
> I visited Doug a few weeks ago and was quite impressed with what he
could do
> from entirely within CoolEdit Pro (now owned by Adobe and called
Audition).
> He could add metadata using the RIFF field, he could search and
preview
> recordings, and open them instantly in CoolEdit. And he could use a
> spectrographic view rather than an oscillographic view, which PEAK
is
> confined to. I really liked Doug's setup and almost wish I had my
library on
> a PC. With CoolEdit (Audition), I think you would have a full and
useful
> editing and library management package for only a few hundred
dollars.
>
> Lang
>
> Lang, you wrote,
>
> >I have special sound effects management software called MTools
that allows
> >for a relational database using FileMaker Pro. And there's also a
> >fabulous-looking piece of software for Mac called Soundminer
> >(www.soundminer.com), which utilizes it's own wrapper and embeds
metadata of
> >all sorts. Of course, Soundminer files could not be edited in PEAK
or other
> >Mac sound editors without losing all the embedded metadata, and
this
> >presents a problem. It would be great to have a robust metadata
field that
> >survives editing, so that the source of an edited and shortened
recording
> >could always be simply ascertained.
> >
> >Do any of you have experience with these kinds of questions? Is
there a
> >solution for the Mac platform? If so, I would like to correspond
> >individually.
>
> I'd prefer discussion here on the list, I think this is of interest
> to everyone. I use FWB Catalog ToolKit 5 to catalog files that I
> archive to CD-ROM. It's fast, but the searching ignores the volume
> name, which is a problem because that may contain keywords that the
> file names don't, and it doesn't have any means for auditioning or
> audio thumbnails. It's advertised for cataloging multi-media files
> but it's really designed for images.
>
> I hate the idea of committing all the effort to building a database
> in some software that may go away. I just checked
http://www.fwb.com,
> and it's no longer listed as a product, so my misgivings are
> validated. I would much prefer a standardized metadata system that
> could be accessed by different software.
>
> -Dan Dugan
>
>
> "Microphones are not ears,
> Loudspeakers are not birds,
> A listening room is not nature."
> Klas Strandberg
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>From Tue Mar 8 18:26:31 2005
Message: 6
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 09:25:37 +1000
From: "Stuart Fairbairn" <>
Subject: Gram 9.0
A good sonogram program called Gram version 9.0 is available from http://ww=
w.visualizationsoftware.com/gram/gramdl.html
There is a full trial version available for download which can be converted=
on payment of US$ 45. Also queries to the owner are replied to promptly.
Stuart Fairbairn.
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>From Tue Mar 8 18:26:31 2005
Message: 4
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 14:58:27 -0500
From: Lang Elliott <>
Subject: Re: Using soundfile resource forks
I'll look into this Rob.
I think the best solution may be on the horizon and will accompany the
adoption of Broadcast Wave as an audio standard across the board. I know
that the PEAK development crew has received many requests for BWAV support
along with the BWAV metadata field referred to as BEXT. ProTools already
handles BWAV and reads the metadata.
I have many files where I've put basic informatin in the Mac Finder's
"comment field". This works fairly well for OS 9, but I've found the commen=
t
field in OS X to be very unstable. For instance, if I save files to CD-ROM,
or DVD-ROM from my OS 10.2.8 eMac, the OSX comments are lost (while the
Classic comments remain with the files). Doesn't make very good sense, huh?
Lang
At 10:06 AM -0500 3/27/04, Lang Elliott wrote:
>Hey Group:
snip...
> to have a robust metadata field that
>survives editing, so that the source of an edited and shortened recording
>could always be simply ascertained.
>
>Do any of you have experience with these kinds of questions? Is there a
>solution for the Mac platform? If so, I would like to correspond
>individually.
>
>Lang
One can use the application, Resedit
http://www.resexcellence.com/support_files/resedit.shtml to add any
text you want to a sound designer II format's resource file (similar
to the waves format I assume). Regions and markers reside within
the OMF standard items that pro editing apps can access. They would
show up as additional index markers or regions in Peak, Logic,
ProTools, Final Cut Pro to name just a few. As to data surviving
editing,.. simply "saving as" any other format besides SDII strips
off the resource fork data. Can folks be kept folks from doing that?
For folks who want the data preserved, the issue of audio application
compatibility may not be as critical as the ability of a search
engine like Sherlock to access it-- one being able to search for the
info among all the data on one's computer is ultimately what's
needed. What search engine(s) (mac and pc) can read SDII resource
fork data? I'll try to look into this a bit. Rob D.
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