Try the converse, Bill. Screen an action movie with the sound turned off!
BK
>Bernie,
>
>Your comments regarding "craft and art" are well stated and received
>here. I have spent enough time mixing to know the difference subtle
>changes in a mix can mean to the final product.
>
>I am learning a great deal from you and your books, along with the
>discussions in this forum regarding microphone techniques and
>seeking the proper time and location to get the the right recording
>of nature's sounds.
>
>I had no idea that anyone would screen a movie--sound only.
>Obviously a great deal of the editing is performed dry, without the
>final foley, sound effects, and musical tracks. But reversing the
>experience; what a concept! I have several DVDs that I will want to
>go listen too. I won't be able to cut the voice track, but I am
>sure that listening to the audio-only will be most entertaining (and
>educational).
>
>-Bill-
>http://www.experimotion.com
>http://www.wcmsolutions.com
>512 336-0842
>
>
>--- In Wild Sanctuary <>
>wrote:
>> Sound recording and sound design (incl. any transformation of the
>> media from one environment to another) is both the craft and art
>of
>> illusion. Transforming a cannon or rifle shot or thunder or a
>> biophony or single bird or frog sound from a live environment to
>> either analog or DAT or MD media, while, at the same time,
>retaining
>> the "mind's ear" impact, is the craft. Taking it a step further so
>> that there is no doubt, no question, no distraction and where the
>> impact and impression is totally engaging and captivating to the
>> listener's mind, is the art.
>>
>> There's often a lot of one. But not often a lot of the other.
>Before
>> LucasFilm released the recent Star Wars episode, they screened it
>> with no picture shown. Sound only. They figured if the sound
>design
>> captured the illusion of action and story, it was worthy of
>release.
>> Otherwise...
>>
>> Bernie
>>
>> >Dan,
>> >
>> >I built my first "stereo" system in the mid 50's from HeathKit
>> >components. I do recall an early 1812 album that I purchased to
>> >exploit my new sound system. I am not sure whether it was the mono
>> >or later stereo version that I enjoyed playing just to listen to
>the
>> >cannon shots.
>> >
>> >Your comments regarding the recording of gunshots are very
>> >interesting. It is similar to what (as I understand it) Bernie
>and
>> >others have stated, that the recording of 'difficult' sounds
>> >requires a number of techniques that will result in the effect of
>> >realism in the final recreation, as opposed to the accurate and
>> >undistorted recording of the original sound.
>> >
>> >For those who that have not seen (and heard) "Open Range", I feel
>> >that it may be worth your while to visit a big screen and listen
>to
>> >the sound track of this movie. I am not sure whether it is the
>> >newly acquired sensitivity to sounds that I have gained from those
>> >on this forum, or just my new interest in sound recording that
>> >caused me to focus on listening to this sound track. I went
>online
>> >and read a number of reviews of the movie, and others were
>obviously
>> >moved by the thunder and gunshot sounds.
>> >
>> >-Bill-
>> >
>> >
>> >--- In Dan Dugan <>
>wrote:
>> >> Bill Mueller wrote,
>> >>
>> >> >I suspect that gunshots are as difficult
>> >> > >to record and recreate as thunder and surf.
>> >>
>> >> My understanding from the film recordists I work with is that
>the
>> >> successful way to record gunshots and door slams is to let the
>> >> impulse saturate the hell out of the tape, so that the early
>> >> reflections and reverberation are really what's faithfully
>> >recorded.
>> >> This only works with analog tape.
>> >>
>> >> <codger mode> I was doing theatrical sound design in the 60s.
>> >Mercury
>> >> Records came out with a great mono 1812 Overture, which had a
>> >> documentary of recording the cannon and bells on the B side.
>That
>> >> cannon was a godsend for sound design, much better than the
> > >available
>> >> sound effects LPs. It was heard in a lot of shows!
>> >>
>> >> At some point, Mercury re-recorded the piece in stereo, and
>> >published
>> >> it in the same format. I ran right out to get it, but I was
>very
>> >> disappointed in the sound of the new cannon recording. It was a
>> >puny
>> >> crack. I suspect the engineers didn't know the old saturation
>> >trick,
>> >> and recorded the cannon "properly" so the impluse didn't
>distort.
>> >> That put the reflections and reverb probably 20 dB down...
>> ></codger
>> >> mode>
>> >>
>> >> -Dan Dugan
>> >
>> >
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