Re: Unidentified Raptor

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Subject: Re: Unidentified Raptor
From: Philip Veerman <>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 01:06:13 +0000

No. Sorry, the dark on the wing tips is not in the right place for a Black-shouldered Kite (they are dark on the primaries from the wrist joint outwards) and the shape is all wrong (as Mark also mentions) but congratulations for suggesting the common option. But do you agree it was pale grey on top, rather than white? To have evidence of an at least 2nd individual of the species would be nice. Mark wrote I agree with others that it is a Grey Goshawk. That is fine but it is only Steve & I that Mark agrees with (so far) who have commented.


And now Lindsay’s Brown Goshawk idea. Only if the camera captured no colour. The bird shows as quite white on the inner of the wing. That would always be reddish or brown for a Brown Goshawk. Also the photos fit that the shape fits a Grey Goshawk more than Brown Goshawk. The GG wings are broader at the base (than BG), the wing tips are too rounded and tail probably not long enough for a BG. I just looked at Stephen Debus Field Guide. That book does not even illustrate the Grey Goshawk and Brown Goshawk split screen flight pictures, so he did not think of these as problem species………..




From: Daniel Montes [
Sent: Monday, 20 April, 2020 8:38 AM
Subject: [canberrabirds] Re: Unidentified Raptor


Looking again I see black on the wingtips, so I think it could be a Black-shouldered Kite.


Does anyone else think that?



On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 16:20, Daniel Montes <> wrote:

Yesterday I went to Jerrabomberra Wetlands.


I came since I wanted to see what Kellys Swamp looked like since the last time I came here which was December it was drought.


I was surprised to see the Swamp covered in weeds instead of water which I thought it would be.


The main reason why I'm writing this is because I saw a raptor high up in the sky where there were Swallows mobbing it or staying away from it.


I couldn't ID the bird, so I'm asking if anyone may know what it is.


Here are the links to the photos:




Regards, Daniel 



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