Hi Duncan and Martin,
I agree in part with your view, however the camera I have has a large pixel count. I prefer to shoot in RAW so an uncropped RAW photo can be a whopping 23 MB (not a mere 5.2 MB). Saving an uncropped
photo at the highest compression rate still produces a photo of more than 200 KB so I then have to again open the smaller size and compress it some more. The image size allowance doesn’t have to be increased a lot but I think there should be some adjustment.
Unless using mobile photos, a lot of cameras today store photos at 20 megapixels or higher. If I want to add more than one photo this is even more difficult – the main reason I don’t share photos at all. It’s just too much bother. I don’t really subscribe
to social media much or to putting my photos on the Internet.
From: Martin Butterfield
Sent: Saturday, 18 April 2020 7:25 PM
To: Duncan McCaskill <>
Cc: David McDonald (personal) <>; Canberrabirds <>
Subject: Re: [canberrabirds] Managing large photos
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 at 19:20, Duncan McCaskill <> wrote:
I support the current low size limit for emails. I might be a cranky old fogey, but I think that photographers who want to share images should just make the effort to learn how to use their photo editing software. The image below is 511
x 1024 pixels. It is plenty big enough for on-line use, and its only 81k bytes. Just reduce in size and turn up JPEG compression really high. A less cropped, un-reduced, uncompressed version of this image is a whacking great 5.2 MB, about 63 times bigger,
but conveys no more useful information. I don't want my email slowed down dramatically by people sending enormous and bloated out of the camera images.
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 at 17:02, David McDonald (personal) <> wrote:
Greetings. As you know, the maximum size of an email sent to this list is 200 kb, including the text of the email and any attachments.
It has been suggested to me that I re-post advice on how to resize photos so that they are small enough to be posted to this list.
I use the free, highly-regarded, image manipulation software Irfanview
https://www.irfanview.net/ . Download the 64-bit version if you are using Windows 10, and see the option to resize/resample in the 'Image' menu item.
Another good approach is to simply upload your image to an online location such as OneDrive, Dropbox, iCloud, Google Photos, etc. Simply copy the location of the photo and paste it into your email. You usually do this (after uploading the image) by right-clicking
on the image and selecting the option that says something like 'Copy link location'. Taking this approach means that you do not need to resize the photo: people clicking on the link you provide get the photo in its full size.
Some years ago, Geoffrey Dabb posted the following guidelines on resizing, etc., which you may find useful.
Best wishes - David
Canberra Ornithologists Group email lists manager
1004 Norton Road, Wamboin, NSW 2620, Australia
Tel: (02) 6238 3706 | Mobile: 0416 231 890
The following points may assist in reducing the size of bird photos:
• A picture simply transferred from digital camera memory or a scanner will usually be too large to email but can be edited by a simple graphics program (the kind supplied with many digital cameras) to produce a ‘jpeg’ image of appropriate size.
• ‘Editing’ in this sense need not affect the original image, but involves producing an additional version that is suitable for emailing.
• Reduce the amount of information in the image by cropping it to show only relevant detail eg in most cases just the bird will be sufficient, with minimum background. This will probably also reduce the dimensions of the image.
• Further reduce the dimensions of the image (by using ‘resize’ or ‘save as’ options). Dimensions might be expressed in cms, inches or pixels. A pixel size of 300x200 that is ‘mainly bird’ will generally be large enough in most cases for viewing on a monitor,
even though it might not enlarge or print with good quality. A jpeg image more than 600 wide might be too big for convenient viewing on the monitor at the receiving end.
• The two above steps will generally achieve an image of less than.100kb. If the file-size is still too big, consider reducing the resolution of the image. How this is done will depend on the editing program, but it might be achieved by applying a degree of
‘compression’, by selecting a standard such as ‘medium’ or ‘low’ rather than ‘high’, by reducing the pixels per inch or centimetre, or by using some other resolution scale however expressed. Sometimes when an image is ‘saved’ or ‘saved as’ this will of itself
alter the size of the file – either up or down.
• At the stage of sending the image, your program might give you an opportunity to specify the dimensions for sending eg ‘actual size’, ‘full screen’, ‘quarter screen’ and/or at a specified width in pixels. This is another way of controlling dimensions, that
can be used instead of or additionally to that indicated above.
If you have not had much experience in editing and emailing photos, you may wish to experiment. You can discard the results – and your original image need not be affected, although you may wish to make a copy to work on as a precaution. You can also practise
by emailing an image to yourself to see how it will look, and how large it is, when received.
When replying to or commenting on messages with pics, take care not to resend the pic unnecessarily. This can easily be overlooked if the pic is embedded in the original message rather than an attachment. If your reply settings do not automatically delete the
pic, you will need to do this manually.