Help with ID

To: 'Daniel Montes' <>, "" <>
Subject: Help with ID
From: Philip Veerman <>
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 06:34:35 +0000

Yes, given a photo of a duck or a swan, I do know where its head is likely to be, so I had found that much. But there isn’t anything showing usefully to identify from the head. I went with some kind of duck because that is the start point and I was not there. However I fully agree with Mark’s suggestion that it fits Black Swans better than ducks. The resting shape fits. There is a hint of the ruffled back feathers and the white bits could easily be wing tips.




From: Mark Clayton [
Sent: Wednesday, 25 March, 2020 5:13 PM
To: Daniel Montes;
Subject: Re: [canberrabirds] Help with ID


Thanks Daniel,

From these additional photos I am now pretty sure that your birds are Black Swans, given their "size" and stance.



On 25/03/2020 5:07 pm, Daniel Montes wrote:

Here are the links to all the other photos:






The link below the writing is your answer to where the head is!


On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 16:57, Daniel Montes <> wrote:

And to everyone else, I won't send the completely uncropped version, because I found something inappropriate on there.


Thank you.


On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 16:56, Daniel Montes <> wrote:

Dear Mark,


The photo was taken 200 metres from where I was standing.

I don't use a camera which takes photos from far away distances so I couldn't zoom in that far.


A Black Swan is a good guess, but when I first looked at the photo I thought that they might be a smaller waterfowl.


Good guess though. 


Now I'm also sending extremely cropped photos as well as a circle to show the bird with the head visible.


Regards, Daniel 


On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 16:48, Mark Clayton <> wrote:


A very wild guess but could they be Black Swans? They do seem to have relatively long legs. Unfortunately I still can't see a head on any of the birds. How far away were they when you took the photo and do you have any indication of size say compared to a magpie, a domestic goose or indeed a Black Swan?


On 25/03/2020 4:19 pm, Daniel Montes wrote:

And Rob,


Please see what I have written to Mark.




On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 16:18, Daniel Montes <> wrote:

Dear Mark,


The species which shows the head is third on the right.

I know this a very poor quality photo since it was taken distantly away and my camera couldn't zoom that far, so I had to crop it.


The photo was taken in June and is near Canberra, so the species should have been recorded in the ACT. 


Regards, Daniel




On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 16:09, Mark Clayton <> wrote:


Which bird are you referring to, i.e. is it one of those obvious in the
photo (I can't see a distinct head), or is it somewhere in the
background and if so, where? Also where was the photo taken as it may
help to eliminate certain species?



On 25/03/2020 4:02 pm, Daniel Montes wrote:
> I have previously taken a photo of duck species which I first thought
> was rocks but looking back, I can see that they are indeed not rocks,
> but birds.
> I am having trouble identifying the species, so I'm asking if anyone
> may know what it could be.
> As the birds were very distant, I had to crop the photo, but you can
> see one of the birds head.
> Here is the link for the cropped photo:

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