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## Ravens and balls, again

 To: "" <> Ravens and balls, again Steve Read <> Sat, 3 Aug 2019 05:00:01 +0000

Like people, birds are complicated. Behaviours can have more than one cause, and causes can overlap. Who here didn’t play with their food when they were young?

Steve

From: Philip Veerman <>
Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2019 10:55 AM
To: 'Geoffrey Dabb' <>;
Subject: RE: [canberrabirds] Ravens and balls, again

It also might be counter to the egg theory. It would support the play theory or curiosity.

From: Geoffrey Dabb
Sent: Saturday, 3 August, 2019 9:17 AM
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I should mention one more point for the record.  In my experience ravens are attracted to a moving ball, although they might take it a few seconds after it has stopped rolling.  Yesterday I was having a quiet chip at the playing field on Flinders Way (between Manuka and CGS) and a raven appeared and took a ball (white, all that was on offer) 15m from me.

I admit this theory is counter to the ‘white pebble’ series of reports.

From: Elizabeth Keen <>
Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2019 9:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [canberrabirds] Ravens and balls, again

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On 1 Aug 2019, at 9:46 am, <> <m("iinet.net.au","arowell");">> wrote:

We would need to know the proportion of coloured and white balls in the source population to determine whether the birds have a preference or are delivering a random sample, there’s a good project! And are people more likely to spot a coloured ball than a white one out in the bush?

Interesting additional observations re attempted cracking, soaking and pebbles. I wonder if corvids are responding to a super stimulus in their reaction to roundish white objects which transfers to more prominent targets (see Wikipedia quoting research on brooding birds which found ‘most birds preferred (eggs) with more exaggerated markings than their own, more saturated versions of their color, and a larger size than their own. Small songbirds which laid light blue grey-dappled eggs preferred to sit on a bright blue black polka-dotted dummy so large they slid off repeatedly.’). Perhaps this is a partial explanation of how cuckoos get away with depositing larger eggs than those of their host.

Some of the behaviour could also be ‘play’. I have seen groups of Torresian Crows over Uluru dropping, chasing, picking up and repeating the activity with rounded stones, perhaps honing their competitive skills for when one of them finds a real egg.

Alison

From: shorty <>
Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2019 6:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [canberrabirds] Ravens and balls, again

Interesting that you both state coloured balls are the preferred ball for the Ravens. Over the last 5 of so Years my local Ravens have mostly bought White balls back to my place with the odd Yellow ball.

They try so hard to crack them open with their beak that i assume they think they are eggs? They even try soaking them in my Birdbath to soften them and when this fails they bury them.

Shorty

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On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 1:11 PM <> wrote:

The management of Fairbairn golf course also reports that coloured balls are more popular than white ones with Australian Ravens, and that they lurk in wait for them. Balls are sometimes dropped on the runway at the adjacent Canberra Airport, perhaps in an attempt to break them open. I also often come across golf balls of all colours in the bush far from any golf course or practice range and assume that ravens are the bearers of these. Foxes will also gnaw on them, whether before or after they have been transported by ravens I know not.

Alison

From: Geoffrey Dabb <>
Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2019 11:46 AM
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Subject: [canberrabirds] Ravens and balls, again

The usual conversation in the golf shop about whether ravens target orange balls or ‘will take any ball’. Notwithstanding I got a box of new Callaway bright orange matte finish. Yesterday at Royal Narrabundah at the very first hole a raven flew directly down and took the first (virgin) Callaway orange matte finish back to its pine tree.  Thereafter an ordinary white ball was used without incident. I don’t know about all Canberra courses but Narrabundah and Duntroon are particularly bad for this sort of thing.  I believe a small number of orange-fixated resident ravens are the main problem.  Certainly white balls are taken occasionally.

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