I understand why you sent the message. That is fine. Sorry my first sentence could come as seeming critical for raising this. That was not my intention. Maybe
I should have instead prefaced with that I rarely raise the aspect of my long ago past in keeping birds. My purpose was mainly in agreement with you and add a little more. For reasons that we both include (and others) the issue of restocking wild bird populations
with long held aviary birds is far from straightforward. There have been a small number of successes.
Philip
From: John Harris [
Sent: Wednesday, 8 May, 2019 2:28 PM
To: chatline
Subject: Re: [canberrabirds] Finch extinction
My interest in raising the topic of finches on the chatline was that I knew that members were all concerned about bird extinction. I was bringing to people’s attention that aviary breeders may have a role in reintroducing extinct or endangered
species. I agree with Philip that there has been much interbreeding and selective breeding and believe I said so in my piece.
For those who did not receive the email from Birdlife and who may be interested, the web version is
https://support.birdlife.org.au/emailviewonwebpage.aspx?erid=15813924&trid=59e74231-d4da-4444-a4d9-454e093c9a7a
From: Philip Veerman <>
Date: Wednesday, 8 May 2019 at 2:19 pm
To: John Harris <>, chatline <>
Subject: RE: [canberrabirds] Finch extinction
This is outside of the usual focus of this chatline. I too kept several species of finches in the mid 1970s in Melbourne. I don’t recall that there were the
eastern form of the Star Finches available. I suspect that the eastern form of the Star Finches is the same as the
southern race that John refers to. I have not received “the email this morning from Birdlife”.
The birds from WA are more colourful and it was generally the “WA Stars” that were advertised and valued. Just my opinion that whilst the Double-bar Finches are the cutest of the
finches, the Star Finches are by far the nicest, by terms of temperament and being cheerily active, and very attractive birds. They are rather good breeders. As for changes in ethics that John refers to, maybe, but decades of selective breeding for a range
of differences (such as yellow faces) will have muddied the waters there a lot, in terms of original forms. I would suspect that whatever eastern or southern Star Finches there would have been, they are very likely to either be very inbred or the opposite,
not segregated from the western ones or selected for oddities.
If people are interested in a local group there is the
Philip
From: John Harris [
Sent: Wednesday, 8 May, 2019 9:03 AM
To: chatline
Subject: [canberrabirds] Finch extinction
Many of you will have received the email this morning from Birdlife regarding the extinction of the southern race of the Star Finch, Neochmia ruficauda ruficauda. It occurred to me to wonder if there are any aviary birds. I had relatives
who kept and bred aviary birds. I am aware, of course, that trapping finches has contributed to their decline although I know my uncles were ethical about that and taught me only ever to have aviary-bred birds. I dabbled a bit myself as a boy but have not
had a caged bird for 65 years. However, back then Star Finches were among my favourites. I recall that we had several colours and that Uncle Jack had a pure-breeding aviary of browner Star Finches with larger spots, which I now think could have been N.r.r.
He called them the NSW Star Finch. So I did a very small piece of research and I discover that Finch breeding enthusiasts doubt that there is any pure N.r.r. strain left.
I was pleased to note, however, that the serious aviary societies are now trying to be as ethical as possible in not breeding different races together and that they are aware of their responsibility to maintain pure breeding stocks so that
finches etc may be able to be reintroduced. It is a pity that no N.r.r remain in the aviary world although it surprises me. I guess in the last 60 years, no one kept them pure in the race for different coloured mutations. To read about aviary ethics and
responsible breeding, and what rarities are still held in aviaries, here is a link.
https://www.naturallyforbirds.com.au/keep-your-sub-species-pure
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