Re: FW: [canberrabirds] out of area - clearing land using goats

To: David Rees <>
Subject: Re: FW: [canberrabirds] out of area - clearing land using goats
From: Martin Butterfield <>
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 01:07:24 +0000
When we visited Trilby Station (20 km downstream from Louth) in about 2014 the owners regarded goats as a major part of their product mix.  They managed them by ingenious trapdoors in fences such that the goats became concentrated in a paddock frpm which they culd ne mustered and shipped to an abattoir in - I think - Albury for Halal slaughter and export to Malaysia.  This property seemed to managing them quite well.

In other areas - notably between Wentworth and Broken Hill the goats seemed  to be totally un-managed and the environment was reflecting this with everything browsed off in goat reach.

On Sun, 5 May 2019 at 10:31, David Rees <> wrote:

Sorry but you are putting words in my mouth.  There is little or no demand locally for goat meat.  There is an export industry which is significant. There could be more demand if those resident in Australia consumed more of it.  Goat numbers will run up and down with conditions and it is probably true that goats represent a viable 'crop' in such areas (better than cattle or sheep over time) esp. if better managed with connected up thinking between land managers. Nothing is simple, that is obvious.


On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 9:26 AM Geoffrey Dabb <> wrote:

I think Con was putting a more nuanced (a word young people like to use these days, and one I hope I am using correctly) point of view.  This is brought out by the 3 links he offers.  First, there is not, as David suggests, a problem with lack of demand for goat meat. Indeed, high demand for goat meat is part of the present predicament.


The first piece brings out ‘the value of goats to rangeland producers in hard times’, and calls for collaboration between producers and conservationists.


The second piece is an ABC report about concern that goat numbers are ‘plummeting’ due to (a) over-harvesting and (b) the drought.


The third piece, about a CSIRO research project, concerns rangeland goat management, clearly a central issue.  It seems goat numbers can be reduced in national parks and other areas of high conservation value by fencing artificial watering points in, and within 4km of, such areas.


Not a simple issue.


From: David Rees <>
Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2019 10:06 PM
To: Con Boekel <>; <m("","canberrabirds");" target="_blank">> <m("","canberrabirds");" target="_blank">>
Subject: Re: [canberrabirds] out of area - clearing land using goats




Familiar territory  and I know what you mean, you can additionally see the same if you go out towards Cobar and Broken hill or west of Cunnamulla. Goats everywhere, makes you think what the export meat industry out there should be, Pity we don't like goat, however it can taste good, we just need to educate ourselves to use it.  Could also have solar farms for power on the buggered cleared areas, these would probably bring in a better income than the 3 years in 10 the area is suitable for economic cattle production.




On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 4:59 PM Con Boekel <> wrote:

Hi everyone

We have just returned from a trip to Bowra - going north by way of St
George and south by way of Bourke.

The drought you all know about. Bird numbers at Bowra have fallen by
three quarters.

Several species listed as 'common' on the Bowra checklist are at the
moment entirely absent or present in extremely low numbers.

But the bad news, based on a cursory examination of many, many hundreds
of kilometers of uncleared grazing country,  is that goat grazing seems
to be unsustainable over vast swathes of country.

Other than at locations like Bowra and and Gundabooka National Park, we
observed very little woody plant regeneration in Acacia woodlands and

It seems absurd to have clearing regulations on the one hand while goats
are effectively clearing vast swathes of Australia with no apparent
management of goat grazing pressure other than that driven by commercial



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