Re: Fw: [canberrabirds] Flycatcher and cuckoo ID question

[Martin Butterfield <>]

The Australian Bird Guide appears to suggest a blue sheen on the crown and warm brown fringes to coverts and secondaries are features of female Satin

Martin Butterfield

http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/

On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 at 12:10, Jack & Andrea Holland <> wrote:

I need to correct the information below as Ryu Callaway has correctly pointed out that the colour boundary curve is a male only Satin Flycatcher feature. This is based on the descriptions on Graeme Chapman's website, who is accepted as the expert on separating the two species.

 

I have checked Graeme's web site and note that for the female Satin he states "The density and extent of the rufous colouring on the throat and breast is variable and not a reliable character".   I had incorrectly recalled that the colour boundary curve applied to both.  I was also slightly mislead by the plates, as both appear to both show this for the female.  However, the feature is also noted only against the male in the ABG plates, and the texts for the female don't seem to mention it, given the difficulty in reading the usual turgid HANZAB text.

So how do we identify the Satin female unless there's a male around?

 

Jack Holland

From: Jack & Andrea Holland

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 8:27 AM

To: Steve Read ; m("canberrabirds.org.au","canberrabirds");"> 'COG-L'

Cc: 'Rory Lachlan'

Subject: Re: [canberrabirds] Flycatcher and cuckoo ID question

 

Steve, while not definitive the following would support that the most likely combination is Satin Flycatcher/Brush Cuckoo as you initially identified.

 

Satin Flycatcher due to the altitude (1305 m), but also because in the two photos the colour boundary is (down) curved, meeting the wings at an acute angle.  While the angle isn’t that acute/sharp, it is similar to that shown in the Australian Bird Guide.  From a quick read HANZAB does not appear to emphasise this feature, though it does mention the line of demarcation for the Satin appears gently concave and not convex as for the Leaden.  I note the two respective plates are very similar for these aspects.

 

Brush Cuckoo because HANZAB indicates the species prefers to parasitise open nests.  Fan-tailed Cuckoos prefer to select hosts that build enclosed dome-shaped nests and less often parasitise open cup-shaped nests.   The greater blotchiness and the barring pattern of the tail is also more like that depicted for the Brush in both references. 

 

However, a complication is that while HANZAB notes that Miagra flycatchers constitute about 11.2% of the identified nests, in southern Australia the Leaden Flycatcher is one of the 3 main hosts.  This does conflict with the general view that locally the Brush Cuckoo is a bird of the higher areas where the Satin Flycatcher is more likely.

 

After 40 years of pretty serious birdwatching I still have difficulties with these two sets of species, sometimes even with the male flycatchers. 

 

Regards

 

Jack Holland

 

From: Steve Read

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 5:18 PM

To: 'COG-L'

Cc: 'Rory Lachlan'

Subject: [canberrabirds] Flycatcher and cuckoo ID question

 

At Bendora Arboretum this morning, Lach and I saw a female flycatcher feeding a cuckoo high in the canopy. At the time,iIdentification was Satin Flycatcher and Brush Cuckoo, but female flycatchers are not easy and Lach’s photos showed pale grey under the tail so the flycatcher was entered on eBird as Satin/Leaden. The speckled back of the cuckoo and its size suggested Brush not Fantailed. Any advice on these identifications welcome – photos are at https://ebird.org/australia/view/checklist/S53077872.

 

By the way, this is evidence of breeding. Of the posisble codes (Carrying Food for flycatcher, Feeding Young for flycatcher, Recently Fledged Young for cuckoo), I presume the latter is the only sensible code to enter?

 

Steve