FW: FW: FW: [canberrabirds] See me after the talk 2

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From: Geoffrey Dabb <>
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 04:16:33 +0000

Yes, but as I think Leo demonstrated some stories need a lot of work to unravel. As I understand it the case for the ‘soft and delicate’ school is that Vieillot, in Paris looking at the remains of a small bird he had never seen in life, used the Latin description ‘tener’ in relation to the tail feathers.  This is taken by some to mean ‘soft or delicate’. Perhaps so.  However ‘tener’ (like ‘malos’, apparently) can also mean ‘weak/fragile/frail’.  Quite possibly the malos tail came apart in his hands.


From: Martin Butterfield <>
Sent: Friday, 12 October 2018 1:40 PM
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Subject: Re: FW: FW: [canberrabirds] See me after the talk 2


Tsk tsk tsk.  I unfortunately missed the talk at the last meeting which I am sure explained that later taxonomic information overrides the old stuff (in some taxa this can happen several times in the blinking of a grant application).  Thus Jobling from the dark mists of 1991 gets jobbed indeed, and is over-ridden by Fraser and Gray (F and G) from 2013. 


If one wished to pay greater respect to age - with which I like, you am, in a position to appreciate -  Mr Jobling is bracketed as F and G note that the original designation was by M. Vieilot in 1816 and meant soft, delicate.





On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 13:03, Geoffrey Dabb <> wrote:

Ha, well, yes, good to see some life out there.  Malurus if you prefer.  But we know whom Maurice Blackburn will not be calling as witnesses for the plaintiffs on this occasion: M Butterfield, Jeannie Gray and Louis Jean Pierre Vieillot.  The claimants point to HANZAB (2001) following Jobling (1991): ‘malos’ meaning ‘soft, WEAK’.     


From: Martin Butterfield <>
Sent: Friday, 12 October 2018 10:40 AM
To: Geoffrey Dabb <>
Subject: Re: FW: [canberrabirds] See me after the talk 2


Unless the forces of evil have snuck something past me, nice try no cigar. Its Malurus which Fraser and Gray define as "delicate tail" 

( I had to do delete the image to reply within the size constraint). 


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