To: Philip Veerman <>
Subject: Swallow
From: shorty <>
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2017 08:38:23 +0000
I have no idea what your conclusion is?


On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Philip Veerman <> wrote:

Yes I had also thought that from Geoffrey’s picture : “A welcome perch” 5 April (the bird second from top right). I would not think any need to invoke the idea of being young birds. I have often wondered whatever is the basis for classifying Welcome Swallows and Barn Swallows as different species. There is a difference of a black neck band and whiter belly, a very trivial difference. (Anything else?).


This one doesn’t have a white belly. That an occasional WS might show a bit of characteristic of the BS is curious but surely they are so closely related a bit of black extension is not so drastic. ......




From: shorty [
Sent: Sunday, 9 April, 2017 3:59 PM
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Subject: [canberrabirds] Swallow


G'day all,


I was down at the wetlands this afternoon photographing Welcome Swallows and came across 2 birds that had the start of a black band around their neck. Looking through my guide, even though we are well out of range, i started thinking maybe they are young Barn Swallows. I am sure i will be wrong but thought i would check with you more experienced birders to enlighten me.


More pics on my FlickR




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