|
While not at all familiar with the relevant literature I humbly offer the speculation that one of the platforms for Australia's potential contribution to the emerging Anthropocene Extinction Event is the ongoing process of within-species, and within sub-species,
loss of genetic variation.
regards
Con
On 3/13/2017 10:14 AM, David McDonald (personal) wrote:
The sources to which Geoffrey refers, incl the free full text of Tobias et al. 2010 and the HBW/BLI introductions, are online at
http://datazone.birdlife.org/species/taxonomy
David
On 13/03/2017 9:58 AM, Geoffrey Dabb wrote:
Yes Noel, that’s why it’s called a debate. The case for the Tobias species criteria is set out in the introduction to Vol I of the HBW/BLI Checklist. There
is a good summary of the contrary viewpoint in relation to WLAB in South Australian Ornithologist December 2016 but the PDF is slightly too large to circulate here
From: Noel Luff [m("gmail.com","noelluff");">]
Sent: Monday, 13 March 2017 9:06 AM
To: Martin Butterfield
Cc: Geoffrey Dabb; COG List
Subject: Re: [canberrabirds] The Debate Continues
As a complete novice in these matters, I am going where angels fear to tread.
I recall the talk given by Leo Joseph last year in which he was somewhat dismissive of the Tobias criteria for determining species. He held up as an example the splitting of the Masked Lapwing into
the Masked Lapwing (northern race) and the Black-shouldered Lapwing (southern race). This is how it is treated in the HBW/Birdlife International checklist.
I also note that Leo Joseph contributes to the other two taxonomy list (Clements (e-Bird) and IOC).
On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Martin Butterfield <m("gmail.com","martinflab");" target="_blank">> wrote:
It is a great pity that the authors of this paper didn't cite the Tobias criteria which seem absolutely crucial to working out the merits - other than on the basis of "trust me I'm an ornithologist"-
of the arguments advanced. Of course, the original paper is hidden behind a paywall so only those in academia can see the wonders it contains.
I note that, but for a missing 'tte' I could be related to the author!
On 12 March 2017 at 14:13, Geoffrey Dabb <m("iinet.net.au","gdabb");" target="_blank">> wrote:
Further to my talk last Wednesday on bird names and global lists my attention had been drawn to the attached article. This represents only one side in an increasingly pointed debate.
However it is the side that claims ‘bird conservation’ as its main priority and holds the viewpoint that underlies the present Birdlife Australia and COG bird lists.
*******************************************************************************************************
This is the email announcement and discussion list of the Canberra Ornithologists Group.
Emails posted to the list that exceed 200 kB in size, including attachments, will be rejected.
All emails distributed via the list are archived at
http://bioacoustics.cse.unsw.edu.au/archives/html/canberrabirds. It is a condition of list membership that you agree to your contributions being archived.
When subscribing or unsubscribing, please insert the word 'Subscribe' or 'Unsubscribe', as applicable, in the email's subject line.
List-Post: <mailto:m("canberrabirds.org.au","canberrabirds");" target="_blank">>
List-Help: <mailto:m("canberrabirds.org.au","canberrabirds-help");" target="_blank">>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:m("canberrabirds.org.au","canberrabirds-unsubscribe");" target="_blank">>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:m("canberrabirds.org.au","canberrabirds-subscribe");" target="_blank">>
List manager: David McDonald, email <mailto:m("canberrabirds.org.au","coglists-owner");" target="_blank">>
|
|
