Yes obviously and the use of (hawks, including buzzards and eagles etc) surely includes more species that the number of falcon species) is part of falconry
and most books of relevance still refer to them all as order Falconiformes. I agree they look like Saker Falcons but that is only by going by the book: “Falcons of the world” by Tom Cade, that starts the Saker Falcon species text with: “Favourite hunting bird
of Arab falconers.......” The implication from the article is that all these birds are all captive bred. It does not say where this breeding is happening, to then be sent to en route to Saudi Arabia. As for the word use
'falcon hawks'
it is not in usual use but I stand but my description of not unusual ignorance. It is not as bad as those (many people) who would call apes, monkeys, even worse because they are our relatives............ Remember the furore about Adam Goodes being called an
ape, of course he is, as am I, but I am not a monkey.
Philip
From: David Rees [
Sent: Thursday, 2 February, 2017 10:23 AM
To: Philip Veerman
Cc: Con Boekel; canberrabirds chatline
Subject: Re: [canberrabirds] Off topic: falcons as consumables
The word 'falcon' is well understood by the worldwide English-speaking community. The usual English word for the activity these birds are kept for is 'falconry' after all!! True, use of 'Birds of prey' to describe a 'functional group'
has a place, even though it consists of two quite separate groups of birds, same with 'Vultures' - given the differences between 'new world' and 'old world' sorts.
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Philip Veerman <> wrote:
Nothing unusual about the ignorant or people writing for the ignorant – or even the ordinary non expert
person, referring to 'falcon hawks'
as on the basis that most people in the world would not know what a “falcon” is. As for
Falcons and Hawks as we now know are quite unrelated!
Well may be so but that is a recent technicality that hardly anyone knows. There is a vast amount of books and literature about “birds of prey” etc that refer to them as one group. They may have different origins but that is hardly common knowledge but they
functionally and ecologically are entirely reasonable to consider together.
Philip
From: David
Rees [
Sent: Thursday, 2 February, 2017 7:36 AM
To: Con Boekel
Cc: canberrabirds chatline
Subject: Re: [canberrabirds] Off topic: falcons as consumables
Interesting that the Guardian used the words 'falcon hawks' - Falcons and Hawks as we now know are quite unrelated! Look like Saker Falcons to me - wonder if they were captive
bred?, as they are declining in the wild.
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