Thanks to Phillip and Ian for their prompt and useful help.
regards
Con
On 9/28/2016 6:29 PM, David McDonald (personal) wrote:
> David Cook wrote https://www.flickr.com/photos/kookr/2183429617/ :
> The line curves upwards at the EDGES for Leadens and downwards at the
> EDGES for Satins - not always obvious, but this one is. A good way to
> remember (very childish, but it works): Leadens Laugh (ie upwards
> curving = a smile), Satins Sad (ie downward curving = a frown) - this
> is my own invention, by the way, although I can't discount convergent
> thoughts!
>
> Graeme Chapman
> wrote:http://www.graemechapman.com.au/library/viewphotos.php?c=181&pg=1
> The Leaden Flycatcher is one of the most misidentified birds in
> eastern Australia, particularly in Queensland. Pic #365004 shows how a
> male Leaden can appear against the light and easily mistaken for a
> Satin Flycatcher, a species rarely seen in Queensland. One of the
> reasons they are so often misidentified undoubtedly stems from the
> illustrations in the field guides. Both painting and printing a
> blackish bird with a blue sheen is no easy task so most of the
> illustrations are less than ideal, but the main problem is that they
> fail to show correctly the main field mark for males - the shape of
> the breast band. They all get it wrong - only HANZAB shows it
> correctly. Look at my Satin Flycatcher pictures #s366213D and 366214D
> to see the two compared - the demarcation line is convex in one and
> concave in the other - chalk and cheese. Another useful clue for birds
> seen from below is that Leaden Flycatcher males have a grey undertail
> with clear white feather shafts - male Satin Flycatchers have a plain,
> dark brown undertail in which the feather shafts are not noticeable.
>
> Females are another matter. Leaden females have a plain leaden-grey
> crown whereas Satins have a bluish sheen (see pics #s365215 and
> 366205) Some Satin females are a bit darker on the breast but this is
> a variable character. Immatures are virtually indistinguishable.
>
> Another reason confusion occurs is that some people are unaware of the
> habitat preferences of the two species. Leadens occur in a wide
> variety of habitats including mangroves. Breeding Satin Flycatchers
> are cool country birds and except for far southern Victoria and
> Tasmania, are only found at higher elevations. Nevertheless, both
> species are seasonal migrants and can occur virtually anywhere in the
> brief periods they are on the move, usually in March and September. In
> southern latitudes Leadens usually arrive in September and the same
> territories are re-occupied year after year whereas in northern
> Australia they are regarded as sedentary. In the mountains near
> Canberra, I used to watch both Leaden and Satin Flycatchers in
> adjoining territories, but this is not common.
> unquote
>
> Regards - David
>
>
> On 28/09/2016 5:07 PM, Con Boekel wrote:
>> When determining Leaden or Satin I seem to recall that the whether
>> the bib angles at the sides were upswept or downswept was an indicator.
>>
>> Can anyone help me with this, please.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Con
>>
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