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In Bungendore today

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Subject: In Bungendore today
From: John Harris <>
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 03:28:13 +0000
Oh dear, can’t resist it when a linguistic matter comes up.
Everybody has been right. As Philip observed, a couple is essentially 2. Technically speaking it is two things bonded together. Couple comes from the Latin ‘copula’ to bond from which we get copulate etc. As a verb, it definitely means that. We couple together two railway carriages.
Martin, however, is also right. Much as boring linguists like me might mourn the loss of specificity in much modern usage, we must now admit that in common usage couple has also now come to mean a small, vague number, not always easily distinguished from ‘few’ and its allies.
Here I am with Philip. If there are two ducks it is easier to say 2 (fewer keytrokes as Philip noted) . If I try to be brutally honest, I would have to admit that if I said ‘There were a couple of birds in the pond’, I might just as easily have said several birds or a few birds.
In a heated family argument a couple of weeks ago – or do I mean a few weeks? - it was concluded by a narrow majority that a couple is mostly 2 and if not it should be, that several is three, a few is four, some is more than 4 and ‘a number of’ is more than that but it depends on the context. Linguist or not, I begged to differ.  What is the difference, I said, between ‘a couple of drops of rain’ , ’several drops of rain’, a few drops of rain’ etc. None I say. They are all vague and mean 'not many' but a couple of drops of rain is a far larger number than a couple of ducks.
Shut up, John, you have said enough.




From: Philip Veerman <>
Date: Saturday, 21 March 2015 1:12 pm
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Subject: RE: [canberrabirds] In Bungendore today

Interesting. a couple is 8 keystrokes, but 2 is 1 keystroke. Why not type 2? To me, a couple is a singular entity, implying an entity of 2 with some relationship (and generally a social pair, M & F).
 
Philip
 
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From: Martin Butterfield
Sent: Saturday, 21 March 2015 12:47 PM
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Subject: [canberrabirds] In Bungendore today

I was visiting the refurbished Bungendore Cultural Centre (BCC) today so checked out the usual damp bits.

I have been questioned about the reference to "a couple" of Plumed Whistling Ducks in a recent post.  From my own view "a couple' implies a possibility of "about 2" as well as 2 itself.  However in previous correspondence people have pointed out that in fact "a couple" refers to the practise of coupling hounds in pairs and thus means precisely two.  Delving further back into my memory of newspaper reports of foxhound meets in rustic Essex the number of slavering beasts present was always given as 'n' couples and if an odd number were in use on a day that became "n and a half couples".

With some difficulty I resist the idea of using 'couple' (or dozen) as my counting unit in what follows.  
  • At Bungendore Meadow Dam there were at least 143 (ie 1 fewer than a gross) Australian Shelduck;  123 Little Ravens; about 150 Common Starlings; and (boo, hiss) 20 Common Mynas perched on the powerlines.
  • Trucking Yard Lane 2 more Shelduck and 61 Plumed Whistling Duck (PWD).  Going to the BCC they were quite spread out along the waterline; coming back they had all gathered together into a rather tight group - which initially made me wonder if the numbers had reduced.  I am intrigued that they seem to take no heed of the quite noisy activity on the building site across the road.
  • The sewage works was quite light on for ducks by the standards of that site.  The highlights were 12 Australasian Shovelers and a single Pink-eared Duck.

I did a lap of the Plain on the way home and could not spot any PWD on any of the dams visible from the road.

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