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RE: the great 'keet' debate!

To: Philip Veerman <>
Subject: RE: the great 'keet' debate!
From: sandra henderson <>
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 13:59:03 +1100
As Philip indicates, plenty of authoritative references to the word keet as name for a baby guinea fowl (apparently to the age of 12 weeks). But there's no real explanation of the word "keet" as applied to the chicks. The clue might be that some of the dictionaries suggest it's onomatopoeic or echoic, so perhaps the chicks make a noise that sounds like "keet". Although we had some when I was a kid, I can't remember what the babies sounded like.
Sandra H

On Wednesday, December 3, 2014, Philip Veerman <> wrote:
Indeed, I think we all know that, but the issue raised in David's message was that the word "Keet" is also and probably entirely separately used for chicks of Guinea Fowl. David did not know that and me neither, but I easily found websites that show it with that use. So the ad that David found is obscure to us but apparently legitimate in that context.
See also http://www.yourdictionary.com/keet

noun
The definition of a keet is a baby bird from Guinea known as a guinea fowl.
An example of keet is a baby bird with a striped head.

YourDictionary definition and usage example. Copyright © 2014 by LoveToKnow Corp

A one day old keet.
A one day old keet.

Licensed from iStockPhoto
keet


noun
a young guinea fowl
Origin of keet
echoic
Webster's New World College Dictionary Copyright © 2010 by Wiley Publishing, Inc., Cleveland, Ohio.
Used by arrangement with John Wiley & Sons, Inc.
keet

Noun
(plural keets)

A guinea fowl
its young
Origin
onomatopoeia

English Wiktionary. Available under CC-BY-SA license.
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Philip

-----Original Message-----
From: Baird, Ian [mailto:m("act.gov.au","Ian.Baird");')">]
Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2014 11:56 AM
To: Philip Veerman; m("canberrabirds.org.au","canberrabirds");')">
Subject: RE: the great 'keet' debate!


I point out that the Macquarie Dictionary is an important authority for Australian English. See the online Macquarie Dictionary entry below:-

/ˈpærəkit/ (say 'paruhkeet)
noun any of the numerous slender parrots, usually with a long, pointed, graduated tail, especially those of the genera Aratinga, Pyrrhura, and Psittacula, as the rose-ringed parakeet, Psittacula krameri, of Africa and Asia, or other small parrots commonly kept caged as pets, as the budgerigar, Melopsittacus undulatus.  Also, Colloquial, 'keet. [Italian parochito, variant of parrochetto, diminutive of parroco parson]

Therefore Philip's contention (below) that a 'keet' should properly be regarded as a parrot or lorikeet is supported by a published authority.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Veerman [mailto:m("pcug.org.au","pveerman");')">]
Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2014 11:33 AM
To: m("canberrabirds.org.au","canberrabirds");')">
Subject: 'Guinea fowl keets for sale from $10 each'

Back to David's comment. He would appear to be correct, as noted on these
websites:

http://www.guineafowlforsale.com.au/about_guinea_fowl_and_keets.php, and

http://www.guineafowl.com/fritsfarm/guineas/ which clearly gives that word use. I tried to copy the paragraphs here but would not allow this.

It does seem to be a strange to invent that word, rather than chick. Keet may have an African origin, independent of the parrot use. I have no idea. Nothing odd about words having more than one meaning.

If it was "Guinea fowl, keets for sale from $10 each' then surely it should be "and" that was missing, rather than a comma. Then again if it is an and rather than young guinea fowls, then what would the "keets" be?

Then again so is "puggle" strange for a baby monotreme.

Philip

-----Original Message-----
From: Geoffrey Dabb [mailto:m("iinet.net.au","gdabb");')">]
Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2014 10:11 AM
To: m("canberrabirds.org.au","canberrabirds");')">
Subject: FW: [canberrabirds] 'Guinea fowl keets for sale from $10 each'


And maybe a bit beyond the mid-20thC, too ...

....  They were feeding on blossoms, and, unlike the 'keets, on buds and lerps as well.

The Australian National Dictionary Centre has entries for 'keets' as a short form for 'lorikeets'. In use from the 19thC until the mid-20thC. regards Con

New one on me. I wonder what that comes from, as "Keet" is usually associated with parrots - as in lorikeet and parakeet.

Philip

On 2/12/2014 6:19 PM, David McDonald (personal) wrote:
> Someone yesterday posted to the Wamboin & Bywong Hub Facebook page
> 'Guinea fowl keets for sale from $10 each.'
>
> Probably everyone but me already knew that keets are young guinea
> fowls.
>
> One problem, though: it is not in the Oxford English Dictionary. A few
> citations in Trove. I have now submitted it to the OED for
> consideration next time they get to revise 'ke'.
>
> For info - David


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