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Subject: true National Parks
From: Des Clark-Walker <>
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:54:46 +1100
Geoffrey and Ian have described how complex the issue of "National Parks" is in Australia.

However US states were created long before the first 2 National Parks .
Yellowstone was created in 1872 by an act of Congress and Sequoia in 1890.

Part of the reason for creating these parks was to protect the wildlife from poaching of bison and elk in Yellowstone and harvesting redwoods in Sequoia. The US army was stationed in impressive barracks at Mammoth Hot Springs in Yellowstone from 1886 and also in Sequoia.

The point I am making is that states that cannot look after their world class assets can have their jurisdictions removed. This was almost the case in Tasmania with the dams issue.

I am not saying that allowing the public to shoot feral animals in NSW "National Parks" has reached the same level of seriousness as the 2 cases of Yellowstone and Sequoia but it is not inconceivable
that some parks are permanently alienated from Commonwealth take over.

Des Clark-Walker.

On 27/02/2013, at 7:10 PM, Ian Baird wrote:

I agree, it is unlikely that the states (and the territories for that
matter) will ever agree to cede their land management powers to the
Commonwealth. In Canberra we often tend to forget that the state governments came first and that the very existence of the Commonwealth depends on a collective agreement by the states (known as the Australian Constitution) which defines the Commonwealth's powers as befits a national government, no more no less. There are very real current and potential future economic implications for the states and territories if they were to hand over their
land taxing powers, not forgetting their mining royalties, to the
Commonwealth.
There are also, I believe, real benefits for the natural environment in the existing system of dual responsibility. Evolution and speciation operates at the local and regional scale, as do state and local governments, therefore protection of wildlife can be responsive to local issues and not always be
dependent on getting the attention of a national government.

Ian Baird

-----Original Message-----
From: Geoffrey Dabb 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2013 11:50 AM
To: 'Des Clark-Walker'
Cc: 
Subject: RE: [canberrabirds] true National Parks

Des - This is a complex issue. I doubt whether anyone who has not worked
in relevant areas of government, or otherwise been professionally or
academically involved in it, will understand it.

Broadly, the Commonwealth's role (as in other areas of traditional State jurisdiction) has steadily increased. Probably it will continue to so, in fits and starts according to the interventionist or otherwise tendencies of successive governments to come. The limits of the Commonwealth's legal role, broadly, are as sketched out by the boundaries of the Environment
Protection and Biodiversity Act 1999.  In part, this depends on
international agreements. The role of the national government in Australia cannot sensibly be equated to the role of the US government in that country.

The main practical difficulty in the way of the Commonwealth taking over (compulsorily - in theory, ways could be found - or consensually) State
national parks is that it would need to establish and fund its own
administrative service, and be prepared address to all the prickly land-use issues (including answering correspondence from angry birdwatchers) that it
would have responsibility for.  I see no possibility of that in the
foreseeable future. State national parks, however labelled, are going to remain a State responsibility, subject to the EPBC Act and the occasional
muscle-flexing by the Commonwealth as in the Tasmanian Dam matter.

Incidentally, I see the Royal National Park was established in 1879 (22 years before the Commonwealth came into existence) and is said to be the
second-oldest national park in the world.

gd

-----Original Message-----
From: Des Clark-Walker 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2013 10:19 AM
To: Canberrabirds List
Subject: [canberrabirds] true National Parks

In the US National Parks are true National Parks administered and funded by the Federal government. At a second level are State Parks run by individual
states.
In Australia we have "National Parks" that in the majority are State Parks
administered by the separate states as attested by the proposed NSW
legislative change.
This situation, that differs from that in the US in both name and
administration has probably been addressed before, perhaps many times.
However I believe the
current situation in NSW makes it necessary to revisit this issue.
Perhaps the COG committee could consider approaching the Federal Minister for the Environment to confront this issue with a view to changing both name and administration. Federal control and funding of key Parks along US lines would be timely. Indeed, such a change should have been made many years ago.

Des Clark-Walker.



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