Scarlet or Flame Robin?

To: Philip Veerman <>
Subject: Scarlet or Flame Robin?
From: John Brannan <>
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 20:41:53 +1000
At the Pinnacle NR, and particularly on the lower slopes closer to William Hovell Drive, there have been more Flame Robins this year than any I've seen previously. I was down there helping with erosion control work yesterday, and while we took a break for morning tea, a party of 6-8 Flame Robins arrived and started picking over the area where we'd been hammering in wooden stakes and packing fallen timber.
I mention this because it's not very far as the crow (or raven, if you prefer) flies from there to the National Arboretum.
John Brannan

On 12/08/12 3:49 PM, Philip Veerman wrote:
Bruce is correct of course, from a front on view. The field mark to look for next, or from the back view is the Scarlet is mostly black and the Flame is mostly grey. Point 3 is red (Scarlet) cf orange-red (Flame). Although you say mainly black with a very bright red coloured chest which certainly is suggestive of Scarlet Robin. I don't think we can answer which you found, as both are likely. Having said that I have seen Scarlet Robins in most of my trips out around Canberra in the last few months but I have not seen any Flame Robins this year. 
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Subject: Re: [canberrabirds] Scarlet or Flame Robin?

Remember: '’ The flame comes right up”. ie the reddish/orange colour of the Flame Robin goes right up the throat. The Scarlet has a black throat.
There are several other fieldmarks, but I find this is the one to look for first.
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:49 PM
Subject: [canberrabirds] Scarlet or Flame Robin?
Today i caught a flash of either a male scarlet or flame robin at The National Arboretum, about 200m away from the top where the eagle's nest sculpture is. The bird was very small, on it's own (from what i could see anyway), and mainly black with a very bright red coloured chest. I wasn't fast enough to see any white markings. It was flitting about the long grassy pastures down the side of the mountain.

I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestion as to whether it was more likely to be a scarlet or a flame robin going by this location and (apologetically) vague description? I know they're both fairly common birds around this time of year but I'm fairly new to the game so this was quite an exciting spotting for me, and if there's any way i can get more certainty about what it might have been i'd be very grateful!

Cheers, Joanne

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