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KOELS

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Subject: KOELS
From: "Philip Veerman" <>
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 16:20:18 +1000
Or indeed we should recognise, understand and be tolerant of that there are so many species, we should not expect or even hope that all species names could ever be completely accurate, appropriate and correct. So I think I agree with Mark that it is impractical to change all these things to suit the occasional extra bit of information. Actually I don't see the problem for ordinary use within Australia for the Koel, as there is one species here. The names for birds are generally pretty good by comparison to other major groups of fauna. For what it is worth, it would be hard to imagine that Great Crested Tern & Greater Crested Tern would be different species, having raised it I was glad that Mark clarified that they are the same.
 
Philip
 
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From: Mark Clayton [
Sent: Monday, 29 August 2011 3:48 PM
To: 'Geoffrey Dabb';
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Subject: RE: [canberrabirds] KOELS [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]

Geoffrey,

 

In light of the BA English naming committee rejecting the name Pacific Koel ....” However C&B expressly rejected that name as the species occurs in places (e.g. parts of Indonesia) that were clearly not in the ‘Pacific’. “....  how then does it treat the Pacific Black Duck (I saw them in Sulawesi earlier this year) which has a similar distribution to the Pacific (and I use this name because it is far more descriptive than Eastern Koel “orientalis” notwithstanding) Koel. Similarly the Pacific Swallow also occurs widely in Asia (with some recent subspecific elevations).  Does this mean we should be renaming birds such as the Australian Pelican – it gets to Indonesia, South Island Pied Oystercatcher because it has been recorded in Australia, Siberian Rubythroat because I saw it in India, and no doubt countless other species. How are species such as the Swift tern, Crested Tern , Great Crested Tern, Greater Crested Tern treated – what was the original name given to the bird when first described? For those who don’t follow taxonomy, the tern is all the same species.

 

Methinks the BA committee is being far too politically correct and needs a good swift kick where it might knock some sense into them. It is interesting that more and more people are using the up to date IOC list rather than the now well out of date C&B list to keep their bird lists – see the Birding-aus forum from a month or so ago.

 

Mark

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