canberrabirds

Dove Id please

To: "'Philip Veerman'" <>, "'F & H Allsopp'" <>
Subject: Dove Id please
From: "Geoffrey Dabb" <>
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:46:58 +1100

For those confused (please tell me if you disagree):

 

‘Juvenal’ is an American term, avoided in most British and Australian publications.  In North America, it refers to a plumage stage, and appears to owe its widespread use to an article in the North American journal Bird-Banding in 1946 by a Howard Wood, ‘Names of age groups of young birds’.  A suggested difference between ‘juvenal’ and ‘juvenile’ is occasionally asserted eg:  ‘ ... a juvenile is a young bird that is out of the nest and able to care for itself but has not completed its post-juvenal moult’  [ Audubon Soc Encycl of N Am Birds, quoting Wood];  ‘As the young bird – now called a juvenile – approaches independence, it exchanges parts of its juvenal feathers for new plumage.’  [Gill].  On the other hand, the Landsborough Thomson dictionary says:  ‘JUVENAL; JUVENILE :  term of which the first spelling is usual in America, the second in Britain ...’   

 

From: Philip Veerman [
Sent: Monday, 9 March 2009 3:47 PM
To: 'F & H Allsopp'
Cc:
Subject: RE: [canberrabirds] Dove Id please

 

Does it need another vote? Probably not. Anthony & Mark are spot on but we don’t need me to tell them that. The only thing I’d add is that the juvenal of the Diamond Dove is also heavily barred. The beak shape also shows it to be a very young bird.

 

Philip Veerman

24 Castley Circuit

Kambah  ACT  2902

 

02 - 62314041

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Overs [
Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2009 4:12 PM
To: 'F & H Allsopp'
Cc:
Subject: RE: [canberrabirds] Dove Id please

 

This bird is a juvenile Peaceful Dove, and a brand new one by the looks

 

Cheers

 

Anthony

 

From: F & H Allsopp [
Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2009 3:07 PM
To: COG
Subject: [canberrabirds] Dove Id please

 

Saw this dove at Newline this morning.  It was about the size of a peacful dove but the overall appearance didn't seem right.  The markings on the wings were very obvious, as was white down the sides of the tail.   

 

Heather & Fred Allsopp

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