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Woodswallow DNA similarity

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Subject: Woodswallow DNA similarity
From: David McDonald <>
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:05:53 +1000
The Oxford English Dictionary deals with meiosis as follows:
    1. Rhetoric.    a. A figure of speech by which something is intentionally presented as smaller, less important, etc., than it really is; understatement (freq. ironic). Also in extended use.
1550 R. SHERRY Treat. Schemes & Tropes sig. Dvii, Miosis. Diminutio, when greate matters are made lyghte of by wordes...
   3. Biol. The division of a diploid cell nucleus into four haploid nuclei, during which recombination of chromosomes usually occurs, and which (with the accompanying division of the cell cytoplasm) gives rise to gametes or (in some organisms) to a haploid generation. Cf. MITOSIS n.
  meiosis I, the first stage of meiosis, in which homologous chromosomes replicate, pair, exchange material, and separate, one of each pair going to each of two daughter nuclei within the same cell. meiosis II, the second stage of meiosis, in which each daughter nucleus divides as in mitosis, followed by cytoplasmic division.
1905 J. B. FARMER & J. E. S. MOORE in Q. Jrnl. Microsc. Sci. 48 489 We propose to apply the terms Maiosis or Maiotic phase to cover the whole series of nuclear changes included in the two divisions that were designated as Heterotype and Homotype by Flemming.
So, Geoffrey, Philip et al., it appears that the scientists appropriated a fine word for a different purpose on or around 1905.

David

Philip Veerman wrote:
Wow I wonder if I should respond to that. Quick lesson in high school biology. The word meiosis relates to the process of cell division that occurs in the production of sperm & eggs (in animals) and pollen & seed (in plants). That is the only context in which I have encountered the word. The point that I was making is that the process is common to most multicelled organisms. The aspect of ‘lessening’ or ‘diminution’ relates to that the diploid (double or matched pairs of) chromosomes are reduced to the haploid (single) set of chromosomes, so that when fertilisation occurs, we return to the diploid state. Which is how, in most organisms, each has an equal set of genes from two parents. There are exceptions to this, such as the order of hymenoptera (bees, wasps & ants) in which the males only have a single set of chromosomes inherited from their mother, they do not have any genes from a father.
 
But then you all knew that and I have never (that I remember) contemplated the etymology of the word.
 
Philip
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 5:20 PM  Subject: RE: [canberrabirds] Woodswallow DNA similarity

A curious word ‘meiosis’, and I wonder just when it was appropriated by scientists for use in that connection.  My Oxford dictionary gives only the rhetorical meaning ie a verbal understatement for effect, as in ‘250 species of birds would be a fair number to see in the ACT in one year’.  My Macquarie gives the scientific meaning first but then, as a secondary meaning, ‘litotes’, that being a subspecies of meiosis using the negative, as in ‘210 species of birds wouldn’t be a bad total to have  recorded in the ACT in the 9 months to the end of September’.  Mind you, most contributions to this chatline tend to the non-meiotic.

 

I wonder whether the scientists liked the sound of the word and borrowed it from the rhetoricians or adopted it directly from the Greek for ‘lessening’ or ‘diminution’.  If American, they would surely have gone for ‘downsizing’.  I would have loved to hear:  ‘With that new manager there’s going to a bit of meiosis around here over the next few months’.  Inevitably the media will get in on  it:  ‘Rudd to go semi-meiotic with Aussie troops in Iraq’.   

 

From: Philip Veerman [m("pcug.org.au","pveerman");">]
Sent: Friday, 5 October 2007 10:09 PM
To: Peter Milburn; m("canberrabirds.org.au","canberrabirds");">
Subject: [canberrabirds] Woodswallow DNA similarity

 

Good point and there is a lot of similarity between the DNA of people (or any mammal) and gum trees or grass or fungi etc too. I vaguely remember something about 20 to 30%. Not surprisingly, as the processes of many biological functions, such as the running of our genetic systems (meiosis & mitosis etc) and many very basic biochemical processes are still similar and common to all multicellular life. But that is getting a bit off the topic of Canberra birds. 

 

Philip

----- Original Message ----- From: m("anu.edu.au","Peter.Milburn");">Peter Milburn To: m("canberrabirds.org.au","canberrabirds");"> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:40 AM  Subject: [canberrabirds] Woodswallow DNA similarity

 

Geoffrey recalled Leo Joseph's presentation in which he showed that on DNA analysis the two species [White-browed and Masked Woodswallow] were almost identical, the difference being the gene (or whatever) that is responsible for the plumage differences.

 

To put this similarity in context I would like to add that the human genome is 99% identical to that of the chimpanzee and bonobo.  I will leave it to others to ponder what the differences might be..........

 

Milburn

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