"Cat among the pigeons ".
Very appropriate re Oz bird vulnerability Phil.
Hope that going to Columbia doesn't put you into the endangered category.
?
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> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 11:44:13 +1000
> From: Phil Gregory <>
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> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Threatened Birds in Australia
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> I am preparing a talk for the Colombian Bird Fair and urgently need some data
> on the total of species in each conservation category, which seems to be
> remarkably opaque on the BirdLife sites and Threatened Bird Network sites.
> All I need know is how many in each category
> How many Critically Endangered CR?
> How Many Near Threatened NT ?
> How Many Vulnerable VU?
>
> If there is a link to such information I?d love to access it. Can anyone help
> please? Thanks
>
> Phil Gregory
> <>
> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
> PO Box 597
> Malanda
> QLD 4885
> Australia
>
> Ph: +61 7 4096 8063
>
> Email: <>
> Website1: http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com
> <http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com/> OR www.birder.travel
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> From: Martin Butterfield <>
> To: Phil Gregory <>
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Threatened Birds in Australia
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> Phil: disregard my last message: see
> https://birdlife.org.au/conservation/science/taxonomy and down load the
> working list which contains the conservation status.
>
> Martin Butterfield
> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
> https://mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
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>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 12:45, Phil Gregory <> wrote:
>>
>> I am preparing a talk for the Colombian Bird Fair and urgently need some
>> data on the total of species in each conservation category, which seems to
>> be remarkably opaque on the BirdLife sites and Threatened Bird Network
>> sites. All I need know is how many in each category
>> How many Critically Endangered CR?
>> How Many Near Threatened NT ?
>> How Many Vulnerable VU?
>>
>> If there is a link to such information I?d love to access it. Can anyone
>> help please? Thanks
>>
>> Phil Gregory
>>
>> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
>> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
>> PO Box 597
>> Malanda
>> QLD 4885
>> Australia
>>
>> Ph: +61 7 4096 8063
>>
>> Email:
>> Website1: http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com OR www.birder.travel
>> Website 2: http://www.cassowarytours.com.au
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 13:16:33 +1100
> From: Dave Torr <>
> To: Martin Butterfield <>
> Cc: Phil Gregory <>, Birding Aus
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> That I think includes ssp?
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> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:15, Martin Butterfield <>
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>> Phil: disregard my last message: see
>> https://birdlife.org.au/conservation/science/taxonomy and down load the
>> working list which contains the conservation status.
>>
>> Martin Butterfield
>> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>> https://mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 12:45, Phil Gregory <> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am preparing a talk for the Colombian Bird Fair and urgently need some
>>> data on the total of species in each conservation category, which seems to
>>> be remarkably opaque on the BirdLife sites and Threatened Bird Network
>>> sites. All I need know is how many in each category
>>> How many Critically Endangered CR?
>>> How Many Near Threatened NT ?
>>> How Many Vulnerable VU?
>>>
>>> If there is a link to such information I?d love to access it. Can anyone
>>> help please? Thanks
>>>
>>> Phil Gregory
>>>
>>> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
>>> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
>>> PO Box 597
>>> Malanda
>>> QLD 4885
>>> Australia
>>>
>>> Ph: +61 7 4096 8063
>>>
>>> Email:
>>> Website1: http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com OR www.birder.travel
>>> Website 2: http://www.cassowarytours.com.au
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 13:19:10 +1100
> From: Dave Torr <>
> To: Phil Gregory <>
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Threatened Birds in Australia
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> The BirdLife Photography website has some data on
> https://birdlifephotography.org.au/index.php/resources/taxonomy - this uses
> the latest BirdLife Aus list.
>
> Takes a bit of filtering but I get the following:
>
> 12 Critically endangered
> 41 near threatened
>
> It should supply a number for vulnerable as well but doesn't - a bug I must
> fix as I maintain the site
>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 12:45, Phil Gregory <> wrote:
>>
>> I am preparing a talk for the Colombian Bird Fair and urgently need some
>> data on the total of species in each conservation category, which seems to
>> be remarkably opaque on the BirdLife sites and Threatened Bird Network
>> sites. All I need know is how many in each category
>> How many Critically Endangered CR?
>> How Many Near Threatened NT ?
>> How Many Vulnerable VU?
>>
>> If there is a link to such information I?d love to access it. Can anyone
>> help please? Thanks
>>
>> Phil Gregory
>>
>> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
>> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
>> PO Box 597
>> Malanda
>> QLD 4885
>> Australia
>>
>> Ph: +61 7 4096 8063
>>
>> Email:
>> Website1: http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com OR www.birder.travel
>> Website 2: http://www.cassowarytours.com.au
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 13:20:14 +1100
> From: Dave Torr <>
> To: Phil Gregory <>
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> I now get 33 vulnerable
>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:19, Dave Torr <> wrote:
>>
>> The BirdLife Photography website has some data on
>> https://birdlifephotography.org.au/index.php/resources/taxonomy - this
>> uses the latest BirdLife Aus list.
>>
>> Takes a bit of filtering but I get the following:
>>
>> 12 Critically endangered
>> 41 near threatened
>>
>> It should supply a number for vulnerable as well but doesn't - a bug I
>> must fix as I maintain the site
>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 12:45, Phil Gregory <> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am preparing a talk for the Colombian Bird Fair and urgently need some
>>> data on the total of species in each conservation category, which seems to
>>> be remarkably opaque on the BirdLife sites and Threatened Bird Network
>>> sites. All I need know is how many in each category
>>> How many Critically Endangered CR?
>>> How Many Near Threatened NT ?
>>> How Many Vulnerable VU?
>>>
>>> If there is a link to such information I?d love to access it. Can anyone
>>> help please? Thanks
>>>
>>> Phil Gregory
>>>
>>> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
>>> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
>>> PO Box 597
>>> Malanda
>>> QLD 4885
>>> Australia
>>>
>>> Ph: +61 7 4096 8063
>>>
>>> Email:
>>> Website1: http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com OR www.birder.travel
>>> Website 2: http://www.cassowarytours.com.au
>>>
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> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 13:20:46 +1100
> From: Martin Butterfield <>
> To: Dave Torr <>
> Cc: Phil Gregory <>, Birding Aus
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> Yes: but they can easily be filtered out if that is what Phil wants.
>
> Martin Butterfield
> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
> https://mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>
>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Dave Torr <> wrote:
>>
>> That I think includes ssp?
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:15, Martin Butterfield <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Phil: disregard my last message: see
>>> https://birdlife.org.au/conservation/science/taxonomy and down load the
>>> working list which contains the conservation status.
>>>
>>> Martin Butterfield
>>> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>>> https://mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 12:45, Phil Gregory <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am preparing a talk for the Colombian Bird Fair and urgently need some
>>>> data on the total of species in each conservation category, which seems to
>>>> be remarkably opaque on the BirdLife sites and Threatened Bird Network
>>>> sites. All I need know is how many in each category
>>>> How many Critically Endangered CR?
>>>> How Many Near Threatened NT ?
>>>> How Many Vulnerable VU?
>>>>
>>>> If there is a link to such information I?d love to access it. Can anyone
>>>> help please? Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Phil Gregory
>>>>
>>>> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
>>>> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
>>>> PO Box 597
>>>> Malanda
>>>> QLD 4885
>>>> Australia
>>>>
>>>> Ph: +61 7 4096 8063
>>>>
>>>> Email:
>>>> Website1: http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com OR www.birder.travel
>>>> Website 2: http://www.cassowarytours.com.au
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 14:04:44 +1100
> From: "Stephen Ambrose" <>
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Threatened Birds in Australia
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> Hi Phil,
>
>
>
> Nationally threatened fauna species lists (including birds) can be accessed
> on the website of the Federal Department of Agriculture, Water and
> Environment.
>
>
>
> https://www.environment.gov.au/cgi-bin/sprat/public/publicthreatenedlist.pl?wanted=fauna
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> To: Birding Aus <>
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Threatened Birds in Australia
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>
>
> I am preparing a talk for the Colombian Bird Fair and urgently need some data
> on the total of species in each conservation category, which seems to be
> remarkably opaque on the BirdLife sites and Threatened Bird Network sites.
> All I need know is how many in each category
>
> How many Critically Endangered CR?
>
> How Many Near Threatened NT ?
>
> How Many Vulnerable VU?
>
>
>
> If there is a link to such information I?d love to access it. Can anyone help
> please? Thanks
>
>
>
> Phil Gregory
>
> <>
>
> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
>
> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
> PO Box 597
> Malanda
> QLD 4885
> Australia
>
> Ph: +61 7 4096 8063
>
> Email: <>
> Website1: <http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com/>
> http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com OR <http://www.birder.travel/>
> www.birder.travel
>
> Website 2: <http://www.cassowarytours.com.au/>
> http://www.cassowarytours.com.au
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 16:16:00 +1100
> From: Martin Butterfield <>
> To: Phil Gregory <>, birding-aus NEW
> <>
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Fwd: Threatened Birds in Australia
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> I think John meant this to come to everyone, not just me. Certainly a
> point worth sharing.
>
> Martin Butterfield
> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
> https://mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
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> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: John Harris <>
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 14:49
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Threatened Birds in Australia
> To: Martin Butterfield <>
>
>
> Hi Phil et al,
>
> To put the proverbial cat amongst the pigeons, in Victoria the Advisory
> List of Threatened Vertebrate Fauna in Victoria (DSE 2013) doesn't consider
> species that are considered Near Threatened to be threatened by definition,
> therefore only having 3 categories of threatened status - vulnerable,
> endangered, critically endangered.
>
> Many of the Vic species fall into the NT category.
>
> Cheers
>
> John Harris
> Wildlife and Ecology
>
>
> *Yours in all things* "*GREEN"*
>
>
> *John Harris *
> *0409090955*
>
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:31, Martin Butterfield <>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes: but they can easily be filtered out if that is what Phil wants.
>>
>> Martin Butterfield
>> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>> https://mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Dave Torr <> wrote:
>>>
>>> That I think includes ssp?
>>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:15, Martin Butterfield <>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Phil: disregard my last message: see
>>>> https://birdlife.org.au/conservation/science/taxonomy and down load the
>>>> working list which contains the conservation status.
>>>>
>>>> Martin Butterfield
>>>> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>>>> https://mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 12:45, Phil Gregory <> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am preparing a talk for the Colombian Bird Fair and urgently need
>>>>> some data on the total of species in each conservation category, which
>>>>> seems to be remarkably opaque on the BirdLife sites and Threatened Bird
>>>>> Network sites. All I need know is how many in each category
>>>>> How many Critically Endangered CR?
>>>>> How Many Near Threatened NT ?
>>>>> How Many Vulnerable VU?
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is a link to such information I?d love to access it. Can
>>>>> anyone help please? Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil Gregory
>>>>>
>>>>> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
>>>>> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
>>>>> PO Box 597
>>>>> Malanda
>>>>> QLD 4885
>>>>> Australia
>>>>>
>>>>> Ph: +61 7 4096 8063
>>>>>
>>>>> Email:
>>>>> Website1: http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com OR www.birder.travel
>>>>> Website 2: http://www.cassowarytours.com.au
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 15:21:01 +1000
> From: Phil Gregory <>
> To: Martin Butterfield <>
> Cc: Birding Aus <>
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Threatened Birds in Australia
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> Hmm, how very convenient, thanks for that, good to see accounting tricks are
> alive and well in Victoria!
> Phil Gregory
> <>
> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
> PO Box 597
> Malanda
> QLD 4885
> Australia
>
> Ph: +61 7 4096 8063
>
> Email: <>
> Website1: http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com
> <http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com/> OR www.birder.travel
> <http://www.birder.travel/>
> Website 2: http://www.cassowarytours.com.au
> <http://www.cassowarytours.com.au/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On 17 Dec 2020, at 3:16 PM, Martin Butterfield <> wrote:
>>
>> I think John meant this to come to everyone, not just me. Certainly a point
>> worth sharing.
>>
>> Martin Butterfield
>> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/ <http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/>
>> https://mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>> <https://mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: John Harris <
>> <>>
>> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 14:49
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Threatened Birds in Australia
>> To: Martin Butterfield < <>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Phil et al,
>>
>> To put the proverbial cat amongst the pigeons, in Victoria the Advisory List
>> of Threatened Vertebrate Fauna in Victoria (DSE 2013) doesn't consider
>> species that are considered Near Threatened to be threatened by definition,
>> therefore only having 3 categories of threatened status - vulnerable,
>> endangered, critically endangered.
>>
>> Many of the Vic species fall into the NT category.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> John Harris
>> Wildlife and Ecology
>>
>>
>> Yours in all things "GREEN"
>>
>> John Harris
>> 0409090955
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:31, Martin Butterfield <
>> <>> wrote:
>> Yes: but they can easily be filtered out if that is what Phil wants.
>>
>> Martin Butterfield
>> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/ <http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/>
>> https://mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>> <https://mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Dave Torr <
>> <>> wrote:
>> That I think includes ssp?
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:15, Martin Butterfield <
>> <>> wrote:
>> Phil: disregard my last message: see
>> https://birdlife.org.au/conservation/science/taxonomy
>> <https://birdlife.org.au/conservation/science/taxonomy> and down load the
>> working list which contains the conservation status.
>>
>> Martin Butterfield
>> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/ <http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/>
>> https://mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>> <https://mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 12:45, Phil Gregory <
>> <>> wrote:
>> I am preparing a talk for the Colombian Bird Fair and urgently need some
>> data on the total of species in each conservation category, which seems to
>> be remarkably opaque on the BirdLife sites and Threatened Bird Network
>> sites. All I need know is how many in each category
>> How many Critically Endangered CR?
>> How Many Near Threatened NT ?
>> How Many Vulnerable VU?
>>
>> If there is a link to such information I?d love to access it. Can anyone
>> help please? Thanks
>>
>> Phil Gregory
>> <>
>> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
>> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
>> PO Box 597
>> Malanda
>> QLD 4885
>> Australia
>>
>> Ph: +61 7 4096 8063
>>
>> Email: <>
>> Website1: http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com
>> <http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com/> OR www.birder.travel
>> <http://www.birder.travel/>
>> Website 2: http://www.cassowarytours.com.au
>> <http://www.cassowarytours.com.au/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 14:19:32 +0800
> From: Jonny Schoenjahn <>
> To: Birding-Aus <>
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] 3 categories of THREATENED
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> Hi all,
>
> to my knowledge, which might be outdated, the following three main categories
> of THREATENED are international standard, i.e. are used in the IUCN Red List,
> Action Plan for Australian Birds, and others:
> critically endangered
> endangered
> vulnerable
>
> Near threatened appears to me to be what it says, i.e. nearly but not quite
> threatened. 'Not quite? may be for different reasons. The species or
> population may not quite (yet) fulfil the criteria for, e.g., VU, or because
> of a lack of knowledge about the species of population concerned.
> Nevertheless, being classified as near threatened helps to put the species or
> population on the radar of all involved.
>
> So, I don?t see accounting tricks or cats among pigeons in accepting 3
> categories of THREATENED, but admit that I missed the earlier parts of the
> discussion.
>
> Despite this classification system being widely accepted, South Australia
> chooses to not follow it. This may be illustrated by the Grey Falcon ("here
> it comes" I hear you say), which is listed nationally as threatened, category
> vulnerable (since June 2020, EPBC Act 1999), whereas in South Australia it is
> classified as Rare. Nevertheless I assume that sooner or later SA will follow
> suit and adopt the classification system.
>
> Merry Christmas to all, and all the best ? lots of it ? for the next year,
> Jonny
>
> Dr. Jonny Schoenjahn
> Perth, Western Australia
> http://www.jonnybird-australia.com/greyfalcon.htm
> ORCID ID: https://orcid.org/0000-0001-7312-1944
>
>
>
>
>
> Hmm, how very convenient, thanks for that, good to see accounting tricks are
> alive and well in Victoria!
> Phil Gregory
>
> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
> PO Box 597
> Malanda
> QLD 4885
> Australia
>
>
>
>
>> On 17 Dec 2020, at 3:16 PM, Martin Butterfield <> wrote:
>>
>> I think John meant this to come to everyone, not just me. Certainly a point
>> worth sharing.
>>
>> Martin Butterfield
>> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>> https://mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: John Harris <>
>> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 14:49
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Threatened Birds in Australia
>> To: Martin Butterfield <>
>>
>>
>> Hi Phil et al,
>>
>> To put the proverbial cat amongst the pigeons, in Victoria the Advisory List
>> of Threatened Vertebrate Fauna in Victoria (DSE 2013) doesn't consider
>> species that are considered Near Threatened to be threatened by definition,
>> therefore only having 3 categories of threatened status - vulnerable,
>> endangered, critically endangered.
>>
>> Many of the Vic species fall into the NT category.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> John Harris
>> Wildlife and Ecology
>>
>>
>> Yours in all things "GREEN"
>>
>> John Harris
>> 0409090955
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:31, Martin Butterfield <>
>> wrote:
>> Yes: but they can easily be filtered out if that is what Phil wants.
>>
>> Martin Butterfield
>> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>> https://mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Dave Torr <> wrote:
>> That I think includes ssp?
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:15, Martin Butterfield <>
>> wrote:
>> Phil: disregard my last message: see
>> https://birdlife.org.au/conservation/science/taxonomy and down load the
>> working list which contains the conservation status.
>>
>> Martin Butterfield
>> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>> https://mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 12:45, Phil Gregory <> wrote:
>> I am preparing a talk for the Colombian Bird Fair and urgently need some
>> data on the total of species in each conservation category, which seems to
>> be remarkably opaque on the BirdLife sites and Threatened Bird Network
>> sites. All I need know is how many in each category
>> How many Critically Endangered CR?
>> How Many Near Threatened NT ?
>> How Many Vulnerable VU?
>>
>> If there is a link to such information I?d love to access it. Can anyone
>> help please? Thanks
>>
>> Phil Gregory
>>
>> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
>> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
>> PO Box 597
>> Malanda
>> QLD 4885
>> Australia
>>
>> Ph: +61 7 4096 8063
>>
>> Email:
>> Website1: http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com OR www.birder.travel
>> Website 2: http://www.cassowarytours.com.au
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 18:53:30 +1100
> From: "Ross Macfarlane \(TPG\)" <>
> To: "'Jonny Schoenjahn'" <>, "'Birding-Aus'"
> <>
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] 3 categories of THREATENED
> Message-ID: <>
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>
> Commonwealth http://www.environment.gov.au/biodiversity/threatened/species:
>
>
>
> Threatened fauna and flora may be listed under Section 178 of the
> Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999
> <http://www.environment.gov.au/epbc/about> (EPBC Act) in any one of the
> following categories:
>
> * extinct
> * extinct in the wild
> * critically endangered
> * endangered
> * vulnerable
> * conservation dependent
>
>
>
> Victoria
> https://www.environment.vic.gov.au/conserving-threatened-species/threatened-
> list:
>
>
>
> Threatened List and Processes List
>
> The Flora and Fauna Guarantee Act 1988 (The FFG Act) provides for the
> listing of taxa (genera, species, subspecies and varieties), threatened
> communities of flora and fauna and potentially threatening processes.
>
> There are 3 lists:
>
> * The Excluded List contains native flora and fauna taxa which are not
> to be conserved because they constitute a serious threat to human welfare
> (Note: the only item on this list is "human disease organisms")
> * The Threatened List contains taxa and communities of native flora
> and fauna which are threatened
> * The Processes List contains potentially threatening processes.
>
> Over 730 species, communities and threats are currently listed under the
> Act.
>
>
>
> Upcoming changes to the FFG Act Threatened list
>
> Currently, Victoria has multiple lists of threatened species - those listed
> under the FFG Act, and non-statutory lists called the
> <https://www.environment.vic.gov.au/conserving-threatened-species/threatened
> -species-advisory-lists> Victorian Threatened Species Advisory Lists.
>
> Recent amendments to the FFG Act
> <https://www.environment.vic.gov.au/conserving-threatened-species/victorias-
> framework-for-conserving-threatened-species> will remove duplication by
> establishing a single comprehensive list of threatened flora and fauna
> species. This will continue to be known as the FFG Act Threatened List. When
> the new comprehensive list comes into effect the Advisory lists will be
> revoked.
>
>
>
>
>
> Ross Macfarlane
>
>
>
> From: Birding-Aus <> On Behalf Of Jonny
> Schoenjahn
> Sent: Thursday, 17 December 2020 5:20 PM
> To: Birding-Aus <>
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] 3 categories of THREATENED
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> to my knowledge, which might be outdated, the following three main
> categories of THREATENED are international standard, i.e. are used in the
> IUCN Red List, Action Plan for Australian Birds, and others:
>
> * critically endangered
> * endangered
> * vulnerable
>
>
>
> Near threatened appears to me to be what it says, i.e. nearly but not quite
> threatened. 'Not quite' may be for different reasons. The species or
> population may not quite (yet) fulfil the criteria for, e.g., VU, or because
> of a lack of knowledge about the species of population concerned.
> Nevertheless, being classified as near threatened helps to put the species
> or population on the radar of all involved.
>
>
>
> So, I don't see accounting tricks or cats among pigeons in accepting 3
> categories of THREATENED, but admit that I missed the earlier parts of the
> discussion.
>
>
>
> Despite this classification system being widely accepted, South Australia
> chooses to not follow it. This may be illustrated by the Grey Falcon ("here
> it comes" I hear you say), which is listed nationally as threatened,
> category vulnerable (since June 2020, EPBC Act 1999), whereas in South
> Australia it is classified as Rare. Nevertheless I assume that sooner or
> later SA will follow suit and adopt the classification system.
>
>
>
> Merry Christmas to all, and all the best - lots of it - for the next year,
>
> Jonny
>
>
>
> Dr. Jonny Schoenjahn
> Perth, Western Australia
>
> http://www.jonnybird-australia.com/greyfalcon.htm
>
> ORCID ID: https://orcid.org/0000-0001-7312-1944
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hmm, how very convenient, thanks for that, good to see accounting tricks are
> alive and well in Victoria!
>
> Phil Gregory
>
> <>
>
> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
>
> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
> PO Box 597
> Malanda
> QLD 4885
> Australia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 17 Dec 2020, at 3:16 PM, Martin Butterfield <
> <> > wrote:
>
>
>
> I think John meant this to come to everyone, not just me. Certainly a point
> worth sharing.
>
>
>
> Martin Butterfield
>
> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>
> https://mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: John Harris <
> <> >
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 14:49
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Threatened Birds in Australia
> To: Martin Butterfield < <> >
>
>
>
> Hi Phil et al,
>
>
>
> To put the proverbial cat amongst the pigeons, in Victoria the Advisory List
> of Threatened Vertebrate Fauna in Victoria (DSE 2013) doesn't consider
> species that are considered Near Threatened to be threatened by definition,
> therefore only having 3 categories of threatened status - vulnerable,
> endangered, critically endangered.
>
>
>
> Many of the Vic species fall into the NT category.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> John Harris
>
> Wildlife and Ecology
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yours in all things "GREEN"
>
>
>
> John Harris
>
> 0409090955
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:31, Martin Butterfield <
> <> > wrote:
>
> Yes: but they can easily be filtered out if that is what Phil wants.
>
>
>
> Martin Butterfield
>
> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>
> https://mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Dave Torr <
> <> > wrote:
>
> That I think includes ssp?
>
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:15, Martin Butterfield <
> <> > wrote:
>
> Phil: disregard my last message: see
> https://birdlife.org.au/conservation/science/taxonomy and down load the
> working list which contains the conservation status.
>
>
>
> Martin Butterfield
>
> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>
> https://mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 12:45, Phil Gregory <
> <> > wrote:
>
> I am preparing a talk for the Colombian Bird Fair and urgently need some
> data on the total of species in each conservation category, which seems to
> be remarkably opaque on the BirdLife sites and Threatened Bird Network
> sites. All I need know is how many in each category
>
> How many Critically Endangered CR?
>
> How Many Near Threatened NT ?
>
> How Many Vulnerable VU?
>
>
>
> If there is a link to such information I'd love to access it. Can anyone
> help please? Thanks
>
>
>
> Phil Gregory
>
> <>
>
> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
>
> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
> PO Box 597
> Malanda
> QLD 4885
> Australia
>
> Ph: +61 7 4096 8063
>
> Email: <>
> Website1: <http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com/>
> http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com OR <http://www.birder.travel/>
> www.birder.travel
>
> Website 2: <http://www.cassowarytours.com.au/>
> http://www.cassowarytours.com.au
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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