raven behaviour (was: LACoBirds] PANDEMIC)

To: "'Jonny Schoenjahn'" <>, "'Birding-Aus'" <>
Subject: raven behaviour (was: LACoBirds] PANDEMIC)
From: "Philip Veerman" <>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 17:30:49 +1000

To anyone wishing to contribute to this, fine, but please delete anything up to and including my posting about “Pandemic”, as I have done, unless you are carrying forward on that issue, and really there isn’t any more to add. At least Jonny was good enough to change the subject header,


I am perfectly capable of having a discussion about bird behaviour. That was not my intention at this time. My comment about the different behaviour of 2 species in Canberra is merely a generalisation that holds enough to be mostly useful, written initially to pass back to that correspondent in USA. I thought it obvious that my message was not intended to lead to any kind of serious discussion about Raven social behaviour. It was intended only as a light relief against a bad situation. Please don’t combine the two things.




From: Birding-Aus [ On Behalf Of Jonny Schoenjahn
Sent: Tuesday, 21 April, 2020 5:02 PM
To: Birding-Aus
Subject: [Birding-Aus] raven behaviour (was: LACoBirds] PANDEMIC)


Hi all,


Australian Ravens at Perth congregate at times, and the number of birds reach and exceed 20.


A couple of weeks ago I observed a mob of more than 20 Australian Ravens on the verge of our street near Perth’s Bold Park. The group comprised dark-eyed young and white-eyes adults. Two of the birds (I cannot remember wether they were young, adults or one of each) were on the ground fighting vigorously, with one foot of each locked with one of the opponent's. Some of the numerous ‘bystanders' (or 'byflyers') pecked repeatedly at the combatants, or pulled forcefully at their wings. I actually got the impression that particularly one of the two combatants was targeted by the bystanders. I was fearing that one or both of the birds would get injured, lose an eye perhaps, but that didn’t happen. The noise that the group made had driven me out of the house to see what the ruckus was about. I have observed Apostlebirds behaving similarly.


There are many Australian Raven in our area, so many indeed that I began wondering wether their numbers have increased in recent times, or whether it is just me getting annoyed by their noise from before sunrise. I also wonder whether the other resident birds are affected by the ravens. I wish I had done regular bird counts around the house to substantiate my thoughts. When running at Bold Park about twice a week I often come across Australian Raven congregations of a dozen and even more than 20 individuals of adults and young (my running is slow enough to count them and see the colour of the iris), but again I can’t quantify whether this is just a recent development or wether there were so many ravens here all the time. I am aware, however, that nothing is as sure as chance and I am interested to hear what others have to say about the numbers and behaviours of Australian Raven in Perth.



Jonny Schoenjahn

Perth WA



COVID-19 stands for coronavirus disease of 2019, given to the disease by the WHO. So, in a way, Corvid-19 would have been equally possible.



On 21 Apr 2020, at 10:02 am, Maris Lauva <> wrote:


Actually the Australian Raven does at time associate - I have seen it a couple of times here in Perth. I have heard it is the annual get together of the younger un paired birds. That is indeed how it seemed. I would have described it as a rolling scrimmage, moving progressively through the bush in Bold Park, with Birds pursuing each other in pairs and small groups but maintaining the overall group. No obvious signs of antagonistic behaviour. Seemed like more than 19.




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