Cryptic Honeyeater

To: "'Casimir Liber'" <>
Subject: Cryptic Honeyeater
From: "Philip Veerman" <>
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 10:05:28 +1100

This is another tangential comment. Cas suggests not including a female gender word among the name options. Fine. However it is curious to think of how many bird common or scientific names reference just the features of the males of the species. Very few names reference features of the females of the species. I can think of one: graptogyne (painted lady), for the south-eastern subspecies of Red-tailed Black-Cockatoo. Are the females of this new one any more cryptic than males? Are the females of this new one any more cryptic than females of the closely related species?




From: Birding-Aus [ On Behalf Of Casimir Liber
Sent: Sunday, 26 January, 2020 3:19 PM
Cc: Birding-Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Cryptic Honeyeater


Yes I like cryptic. Imitatress is awkward-sounding and regressive at a time when we are dispensing with gendered descriptors (chairman, actress etc.)



On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 3:14 PM Tom Wilson <> wrote:

I have no influence over any of this...but I like Cryptic – as Imitatress means a female imitator, one might be led into thinking the honeyeater mimics others (although I appreciate that Graceful/Cryptic/Yellow-spotted complex do imitate one another in looks) – Cryptic works better to me.


Tom Wilson



From: Tony Russell

Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 10:55 AM

To: Phil Gregory

Cc: Birding-Aus

Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Cryptic Honeyeater




On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 at 19:29, Phil Gregory <> wrote:

IOC Michael, after quite a lengthy process, which involved Lloyd as the proposer of the new species. To cut a long story short he was happy with Cryptic, one can go round and round forever so I am hoping we can persuade BirdLife to forgo Imitatress!



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