To: 'Dave Torr' <>, 'Martin Cake' <>
Subject: names
From: Tony Russell <>
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 05:33:44 +0000
Well, I don't care what you lot do ,I'm sticking with JABIRU !

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From: Birding-Aus  On Behalf Of 
Dave Torr
Sent: 29 January 2017 13:06
To: Martin Cake
Subject: names

As far as I know IOC does have an Aussie representative on their committee.

I quite agree that BLA's names are weird and unlikely to be accepted. Why did 
they not just follow IOC or BLI rather than (badly) re-inventing a wheel.

On 29 January 2017 at 11:32, Martin Cake <> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I can understand the anger at having English names foisted on us from 
> overseas. But directing this anger at “the boffins” is rather misdirected.
> Instead, take a look at the abysmal state of the processes we have (or 
> rather, don’t have) in Australia for naming birds when a new name is 
> required.
> If a species is split, one or the other half of the split needs a new 
> name, period. This occurs (mostly!) due to advances in taxonomic 
> understanding, not whims of scientific fancy. Moaning about this is 
> like shaking your fist at the incoming tide.
> But currently Birdlife Australia’s ‘English Name Committee’ 
> subserviently follows BirdLife International, which shows no sign of 
> taking any notice of their little Aussie cousin on either taxonomy or 
> English names. Most field guides on the other hand prefer to follow 
> the IOC list, which generally respects existing local usage and has 
> some Australian input. But in either case the English names will be 
> decided overseas, without any official mechanism for input from any sort of 
> Australian ’names committee'.
> BLA could (and should) be proactive in forming local English names of 
> prospective splits before they occur. There is usually enough time 
> between scientific publication of evidence for a split, and its 
> adoption by the checklists, to provide some local advice on a new 
> name. Instead BLA’s ENC persists with the laughably absurd policy of 
> giving every subspecies a long-winded geographic name. For example 
> Greg has recommended Satin Stork for E. asiaticus australis to BLA’s 
> ENC, but instead they currently have it listed in the WLAB as 
> “Torresian Black-necked Stork”. Just be thankful that BirdLife 
> International took no notice when splitting White-quilled Honeyeater, 
> ignoring WLAB’s recommended name of “Northern Blue-faced Honeyeater”; 
> Western Fieldwren (WLAB = “Western Wheatbelt Rufous Fieldwren”); 
> Paperbark Flycatcher (WLAB = “Northern Restless Flycatcher”); or Kimberley 
> Flyrobin (WLAB=“Western Lemon-bellied Flycatcher”).
> So instead of shaking your fist at the boffins, why not take a look at 
> how ineffectual BirdLife’s ENC is at actually naming Australian birds? 
> We need an Australian ENC that can respond quickly to the latest news 
> in taxonomy, and engage with the international checklist bodies like IOC and 
> Clements.
> And that is not likely to occur while BirdLife persists with the 
> ridiculous BirdLife/HBW/Tobias system of taxonomy, the root problem 
> now and into the future.
> Martin
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