To: Helen Larson <>
Subject: names
From: Denise Goodfellow <>
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 05:54:17 +0000
Well said Helen

Denise Lawungkurr  Goodfellow
PO Box 71
Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841
043 8650 835

On 25 Jan 2017, at 2:53 pm, Helen Larson <> wrote:

> It has been interesting reading the reactions to proposed changes to common 
> names! If this happens during changes to common/vernacular names, no wonder 
> us taxonomists who sometimes change scientific names (for carefully 
> documented reasons) get dumped on. Common names are for us to use among 
> ourselves. Fish might have masses of common names, but they only one 
> scientific name and only one official Australian Standard name (for marketing 
> and other industries). Isn't this the same for birds? I write down Willie 
> Wagtail during my morning bird count and will continue to do so no matter 
> what the "standard" name is. I could write down Rhipidura leucophrys but it's 
> longer.
> I talk about Giurus margaritacea to my colleagues, Snakehead Gudgeon to my 
> fish-keeping friends and Mudcod to my neighbours here in FNQ - and everyone 
> knows what I mean. On a recent trip to India - our guides used mostly old 
> books and I had a new version so we used the scientific names to disentangle 
> whether something was a Crested/Booted/Spotted/Snake eagle or not. The bird 
> is itself, we are just using labels for our convenience.
> Helen
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> O'Connor <>
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2017 7:44:38 PM
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> Subject: [Birding-Aus] names
> It is still frustrating to see people who only think about what a
> bird is called in Australia, even if it has a much wider
> distribution, or if there is a different species with that name. This
> is what got us into this situation in the first place.
> We have to accept gerygone. There are far too many clashes with
> warbler. IOC has 18 species of gerygone. The following have clashes
> if warbler was used. 6 out of 18.
> Brown. Brown Parisoma was also called Brown Warbler and so it has
> just as much right to the name Brown Warbler.
> Grey. There is Black-throated Grey Warbler (and one or two others).
> Grey Gerygone would need to be called Australasian Grey Warbler.
> Fan-tailed. There is a Fan-tailed Warbler.
> Mangrove. There is a Mangrove Warbler.
> Dusky. There is a Dusky Warbler. This is actually on the Australian
> bird list with one or two records on Christmas Island.
> Yellow-bellied.There is a Yellow-bellied Warbler.
> The Jabiru is a totally different genus in South America. It occurs
> through south east Asia. Even if was split to Satin Stork, Australian
> Jabiru does not make sense as it is not related to Jabiru. Stork
> applies across a number of genera but they are all in the 'stork'
> family. It is not like 'flycatcher' where there are well over 100
> across several families. Djagana is a nice thought instead of Satin
> Stork, but my understanding is that each aboriginal language has a
> different name, and so why should Djagana take preference?
> Jacana by the way is Portuguese (might be Spanish?) as the type
> specimen was named from Brazil. So it should be pronounced 'yasana' I
> think, but I can't see that happening in Australia.
> Remember these are the recommended English names. So to be used in
> official publications and bird lists. There is nothing wrong with
> informally using Jabiru, Weiro, 28, Budgie, muttonbird, etc as long
> as the person you are speaking to understands what you mean.
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