To: "" <>, "Penny Brockman" <>
Subject: names
From: Greg and Val Clancy <>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 12:21:37 +0000
I like Djagara as well but it is not a name that has been applied widely to 
the species as each language group would have their own name for the 
species.  In the Sydney area it is "Barri-enna".  I think that these 
Aboriginal names deserve recognition in their own right but not as a common 
name as how do we choose which one?

BTW if anyone knows the Aboriginal name for the Black-necked (Satin) Stork 
other than the two discussed above I would appreciate hearing about it.  I 
have asked some local Bundjalung and Yaegl people but so far no one has 
known the local name for the species.


Dr Greg. P. Clancy
Ecologist and Birding-wildlife Guide
| PO Box 63 Coutts Crossing NSW 2460
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-----Original Message----- 
From: Penny Brockman
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:32 PM
Subject: names

I like Djagara - presumably promounced Dja-ga-ra with a nice pitch on
the Dja. Suits the bird.

On 23/01/17 5:26 PM, michael hunter wrote:
>     Once again a few academics, mostly not Australian, if not 
> Un-Australian, are foisting otherworldly names onto us Aussie birders.
>    Common names , NOT ENGLISH names, for Australian birds are names 
> commonly used by about 99% of Australian birdwatchers for our birds. It is 
> appalling that colourless English names like Black-necked Stork have been 
> inflicted on us by a few pseudo-academics who are presumably incapable of 
> memorising Scientific names.  Jabiru may be the common name of a South 
> American Stork, but changing the official “common” name for any 
> birdwatcher witless enough to confuse the two in the field was an amazing 
> arrogance. One justification was that people reading birdguides will be 
> confused in not justified.
>     These people are meddling with our Australian common names, which are 
> , or were, spontaneous non-scientific vernacular.
>     Among many examples, “Jabiru” and “Torres Straits Pigeon” had romantic 
> (in the broad sense folks) connotations lost in the bland generics we are 
> told to use instead. As a youth my first sighting of the legendary Jabiru 
> was very exciting, and stimulated a life-long interest in Birding.  Seeing 
> a Black-necked Stork would not have.
>      “Willy Fantail”   They must be joking.
>           Resist.
>                  Michael
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